Figured I would ask the "brains trust", here, lol...
This is not my area of strength. Like, at all... Controversial perhaps, but, most of the time, I find computers (or rather, IT and "tech") to be... Immensely frustrating. I'm not stupid. I know the basics. I can do most things that most... "Normie" millennials can do. I just... I'm not a "build a computer from scratch" type person. Put it that way.
So when something goes wrong, like my current computer randomly losing a whole bunch of files, I... Attempt to solve it, but get increasingly frustrated when I can't. So here we are...
I'm not really a gamer, per se. I don't really watch movies on the computer, either (I know, weirdo, right?), aside from Youtube and the like (Vid Dailymotion, etc.).
I do, however, do an absolute fuck tonne of photography. Like, literally terabytes worth. Both mobile and D-SLR. In terms of "hobbies", or "interests", this, and music, are what I mainly use the computer for. Because my current computer is such an utter piece of shit (it's old, but has 1TB storage, which is a fair amount, for something a decade old), I spend... Literally days, just clearing data (photos, mainly) off it.
I also listen to a very large amount of music. Music is my passion. If I was better at it, I probably would have attempted to make a career out of it, by now. I do a little bit of mixing, but I would like to do more. If I had a better computer, I guess that's a thing I would do. Somehow the speakers on this old thing are really fucking good, though, so I would rather not lose that/have to make it external, lol... Though it's funny, because this computer is so fucked, that sometimes it crashes, when you try to load big playlists in Apple Music, lol...
Now for the more complicated stuff, which is sort of... Beyond, me. I'm not a graphics designer, but my degree, somewhat unfortunately, requires me to do a not significant amount of it. Which is shit, but so be it. Also, more broadly, a whole bunch of "digital drawing", and, hardest of all, for me personally, heaps of statistics-related programming. Heaps. Weeks worth. Which this computer simply cannot cope with (we mainly use R, if people have heard of that).
I also have to do a fuck-tonne of web-related shit, of course. Teams, fucking Blackboard, online interactive lectures, you name it. And then there's the video calling, and the more... "Academic" shit, like Endnote, and academic writing more broadly, which this computer simply cannot cope with, anymore...
Honestly, this computer is... So old, and deprecated, that I don't even think I can upgrade Office, on here, which leads to all sorts of fuckery.
Oh, and I nearly forgot: some degree of "ruggedness", would be good, because I do a surprisingly large amount of "field stuff", and I would rather the damn thing not be as fragile as this one, when I have to take it out there (obviously sparingly), lol...
So yeah. I'm a Mac "person". This is a Macbook. I mostly use an IPhone. I am not, however, "Windows illiterate". My last laptop was a Toshiba Satellite (when they were still making them), newer than this MacBook. But it was completely fucked, even from when I first got it, and ended up bricking itself, taking all my data with it, literally twice. And that, my friends, is why I spend so much time "backing up" (sadly). Having lost literally years of work, I just... Don't trust any device not to do the same, lol. So yeah. Would rather stick to the Mac "ecosystem", I think, but I can probably be swayed... Should I go for like "a custom build" (not by me, of course!!), do you think, for these sorts of needs, or do you think I can get by/away with "off the shelf"/ordered in..??
Just thought I would chuck this up, because, having lost... A not insignificant portion of data, this morning, for no apparent reason, I figure that, in desperate times, I... May as well ask some of "the brains trust" here, lol...
Thoughts, anyone??
Cheers in advance!
What do you consider "reasonably affordable"? Do you want a laptop, desktop, or don't care which?
If you want to stick to Mac, then just go to apple.com, or their physical store and check your options. There's not a lot of choice with Apple, aside from how much you're willing to spend. Their retina displays are great. Don't get a model released within 2 months, Apple is notorious for having serious defects on brand new models and trying to make the customer pay to fix what is Apple's fault.
Apple has closed it's ecosystem. If someone wants to release a program for OS X, they need to register with and regularly pay apple for the privilege of being on their operating system. They also no longer support OpenGL, which every other computer supports for communicating with graphics cards. This means for many developers, it's not worth developing for Apple. If you mainly use products from large companies like Apple, this might not be an issue for you.
Apple is non-upgradable. They solder everything to the motherboard, or include it in the M1 chip. Don't think that you can just increase the RAM later.
If you go for a non-apple laptop, you'll probably want an ultrabook. They don't come with powerful graphics cards, but they have 4K screens. The best for you would be a IPS HDR screen. IPS has the best color of screen panels, and HDR is 10-bit color. 8-bit is the old standard of 256 levels per color channel (R, G, or B), while 10-bit has 1024 levels.
If you want a touch screen, make sure it is listed. If you use a tablet pen, none will feel as nice as the Apple pencil, but they should still work.
AMD Ryzen processors are cheaper than intel.
There are a variety of weird or different tech offered by different brands. Some laptops can plug in external Graphics cards. Asus has a "duo" brand of laptops which come with an additional screen on the keyboard side. Gigabyte partnered with Microsoft for AI-enhanced ultrabooks that perform better if you absolutely don't care about privacy. On that note, if you get a windows computer, there are quick ways to disable much of the spyware Microsoft includes with their malware of an operating system. Mac's not as bad there, but it does report every app you open to Apple to get their permission to open it, which was found when Apple servers went offline sometime in the last two years.
Excellent comment! Thanks muchly!
Yeah, my main issue, if I did go for a non-Mac, is that because I do so much phone photography (and filming, which is my thing), it would make it very, very difficult to get my photos and vids off, unless I used Bluetooth (eugh), no..?
So that would mean switching the damn phone, as well, which means another... Sizeable amount of money down the drain, unfortunately (to get one with a decent camera, at least)...
That's... Unfortunately, where I am at, with that particular conundrum, tbh...
I fucking wish Windows phones were still a thing, so I would at least have a non-Apple, non-Android alternative to go for, even if they weren't... The best, lol.
Anyway, while we're at it - I've only ever had Androids that were... Not great (HTCs and ZTEs, mostly), so... I honestly don't know what a top end (new-ish) Android is like, or how it would compare, both to an IPhone, and to the cheap/mid-range Androids which we get here, lol...
Look up Google's Pixel phones. They're supposed to be very good, and the best privacy distros can be installed on them. I haven't used one, so I can't recommend them.
There is a limited iCloud tool for Windows you can download on Apple's website. You can also transfer by cable. If you want software like iPhoto, there's multiple third-party alternatives for Windows.
Ooh, I should look into some of that...
I generally don't like Google's... "Phone suite", unfortunately (except Google Maps, and I admittedly do use Gmail), for all the reasons you might expect. But if they're good, now (Pixels), perhaps I should look into them...
See, I didn't think you could do cable to cable transfers, from an IPhone to Windows...
Last time I tried would have been from an IPhone 3GS to the Satellite, and whatever desktop PCs Uni was running, circa 2015, approx... And it didn't fucking work, lol.
So I'm glad to hear things sound to have, uhh, improved, since then (or maybe I just didn't know how to do the workaround, lol)!
Some of the privacy systems you can install on Pixel phones replace google services.
I recommend doing your own research on what I said. You're the one spending the money. Look up other's reviews, and make sure anything is up to your standard before you buy. There's Newegg and Amazon user reviews. There should also be reviews by other photographers on YouTube or specialist websites. Videos showing how to do specific tasks are also useful to see how much of a pain it might be.
Haha yeah, I just spent the last 45 doing this...
I guess I just wanted to get people's thoughts (including yours, of course), because doing that is exhausting, and I have other work that I have to do, right now, unfortunately...
I'm definitely not trying to... "Hospital pass" off that aspect of the process. I'm just too tired and busy to do it right now, lol (it's Friday afternoon, here, so not the easiest time, lol)...
But yep, you're completely right. And I will do that! Just... Not today, lol.
Still trying to recover my data that I lost, at the mo... Frustratingly...
So yeah, it's not that I necessarily prefer Apple products (my IPhone 8 sucks ass, lol) - I'm just a) used to them, and b) used to having fucking terrible experiences with both mid-range PCs, and mid-range + el cheapo Androids, lol...
Oh, and we're talking laptops, specifically, here. I forgot to mention that.
I don't have the, uhh, "stable housing situation" for a desktop, rn, and I have to move states in July, so... Yeah.
Probably need a new lappy before then, though, unfortunately...
I would consider getting a desktop in the future, to use as like a "base station" (like I use this computer for), to dump all my work on, and do the data backups and transfers, but I'm just... Not quite there, at the moment, I don't think.
I need a good workhorse, currently, basically. A... Clydesdale, if you will. Rather than a Hummer. Lol...
Do you happen to know... If any of those things (Microcenters, Logical Increments) have an equivalent in Aus..? Or, uhh, might ship here..??
Because I've never even heard of either of them, ahaha...
Sorry for not mentioning I live in Straya. I was waiting to see what responses I might have gotten first!
These are our two main "big box" IT joints, for reference (websites are cancer):
https://www.jbhifi.com.au/
and
https://www.harveynorman.com.au/
And a few others.
Obviously local "specialists" do exist, and I could go to them, but it will cost me waaayyy more, lol.
We used to have more variety. They all, sadly, went out of business... :-/
I don't want to link to anything too local, or specialised, because it will completely doxx me to anyone reading or seeing this, lol, but you get the idea...
We have mainly ASUS, ACER and Mac specialists, in-state (where I am is reasonably isolated, so we're talking... I suppose Anchorage, but even smaller, in terms of availability/getting stuff in). My uncle is involved in Acer, locally, so I could potentially look into getting a deal there, but the last time I talked to him, he tried to recommend his $3000 AUD (~$2068, USD) top of the line Acer, to me, which is... Probably a bit out of my range, lol...
Out of interest, can you even build laptops?? I've only ever known of people I know (vaguely, so I'm avoiding going to them for advice, first, lol) building desktops, so...
I just don't know much about this stuff, tbh, dude! Tell me more, lol!
Here's some others I found, which I admittedly have never really heard of:
https://www.umart.com.au/
https://www.mwave.com.au/
https://www.jw.com.au/
https://www.austin.net.au/
All of those would appear to be online-only...
I also forgot probably the most obvious "business" laptop seller, which is these guys:
https://www.officeworks.com.au/
They have stores here.
My experience with Officeworks has been good customer service, mediocre products. Harvey Norman is terrible customer service, decent products. And JB HiFi are shit customer service, and shit products (that's where the Toshiba Satellite I talked about came from)...
Finally there's also these guys:
https://www.winc.com.au/
Who are the equivalent of Staples (they used to be a subsidiary, and maybe still are, post-rebrand). Never been in, and they sound even more business-oriented, but I really don't know that much about them, tbh, post-rebrand...
We used to have really good department and "educational" shops down here, specific to the state, but again, Harvey and JB (see previous comments) basically ripped out their market share, and killed them off...
All of that is gone, now, sadly. Even online, for the most part. Completely gone...
As is the (once) best specialty Apple retailer in my closest city.
Which, unfortunately, leaves me with rather less choice than I used to have...
Straya, '22. Woo... :-(
Fellow strayan here.
There are a couple of local search engines for IT kit that you might want to have a look at:
https://www.shopbot.com.au/
https://www.staticice.com.au/
I find staticice usually has better results, but kinda requires you to know what you're looking for.
You'll find shop front retail stores are generally more expensive than what you'll find online because they have higher operating costs (rent, marketing, wages, etc)
Harvey Norman is usually pretty expensive, so I don't bother with them. Same for Good Guys, Officeworks and Bing Lee.
JB Hifi occasionally has really good sales (sometimes 1/2 price or better), but that means being patient and waiting for the sale to happen.
Of the online retailers - Umart, Mwave, Scorptec, Compuworld, MSY Technology, Device Deal are all well known and have been around for a number of years, so they are reasonably low risk. They also ship all around Aus (i'm assuming you're regional NSW or similar).
Winc only do IT kit through their commercial business now (as you guessed) and their online shop only sells accessories I beleive.
Warranty for IT kit is generally handled by the manufacturers these days, so in effect it doesn't matter too much where you buy from, as long as the retailer isn't grey marketing (i.e. bringing in the goods directly from overseas and not sourcing through local distributors). You might want to check if they have a service centre near where you are located however.
Hope this helps.
If you have a costco membership look into their dell prebuilts.
They have "workstation" class systems at reasonable price with strong specs and video cards.
They tend to be short on storage so add on the cost of a 14+ tb spinning drive fir media and a 2nd ssd for gaming. Requires messing with a famously tightly packed dell case so also add the cost of paying some nerd to do it for you if that isnt your thing
Haven't looked at windows or linux for years, but they were horribly offensive to the eye for decades. Also 'going wrong' quite often, especially with OS updates. The user interface itself was the definition of ugly, and the linux guys were all about spending hundreds of hours trying to get it to work.
The main question there is how much can you afford to spend? Sounds like a top of the line Mac is what you need, but those can be as expensive as it is to live on the California coast.
Recently lost the last two years of my life when I finally dropped my android phone. Really sucks to lose all your data, and I sympathize.
Good luck with whatever you decide. FrostedCricketFlakes has excellent info and advice in his comment!
Sorry if I don't reply for a bit, people who have helped me out thus far (and ongoing)...
I've just been trying to do my own research, and it is... Exhausting, quite honestly.
Shit like this was so much easier (where I am), even a decade ago. Now it's "Nah, fuck you, sort out your own shit", which, for someone like me (i.e. a complete amateur) fucking sucks shit... :-/
Grumble Fuck this country (Straya), quite honestly...
You're used to mac and not building your own computer so get a mac.
Big thing is to get an M1 processor mac with at least 16 GiB or more memory. These are absolutely a must, so no buying a used old Intel for cheap -- not worth it at any price. The other specs won't really matter much for you, but upgrade if you feel like it.
If you're on a budget I'd get a Mini or Air expanded to 16 GiB depending on how you want to work. These will be fine for anything you're going to use them for as long as you get 16 GiB ram not 8 GiB.
Your main concern is storage space. Apple storage is ridiculously priced so get the minimum SSD and a cooled, external enclosure and normal huge spinning drive in it for a Mini or probably better with a NAS network attached storage for a laptop (so no wires). You can just pick pretty much anything that looks okay on Amazon. Normal hard drive has to be formatted HFS+ not APFS and will be fine for your use case. Get another external drive and set up Time Machine so you don't lose files again. You can get a huge storage and backup for a few hundred dollars. An unlimited online backup like Backblaze is a good idea at ~$70/yr for peace of mind or spend $100/yr on a new hard drive and keep lots of backups - once you get into many GiB online backup slows down and takes a long time to finish uploading, but you leave in on and it eventually gets everything.
I would avoid the iMac because it's all-in-one and not repairable, so when the internal drive fails it's junk. Maybe you can use it as a monitor, idk, but to me it's just an annoyance and not worth it.
On the hard drives, any chance you could explain formats a little more, for me..
Because I have an empty, 300+GB BlueEye drive, that I must have bought for the Toshiba (see elsewhere), but it says it is “formatted for Windows MS-DOS”, or something, and will not let me edit or add anything, from the Mac…
Is that normal?? What do I look out for, when buying one, apart from what you already said..?
I have a few LaCie HDDs. Generally they’re about a terabyte (yes, this is how quickly I go through storage, but they’re also super fragile, so a couple just… Stopped working), and at least two were formatted with separate Mac and Windows compartments…
I generally just used the Mac compartment, so never really thought about that in great detail, tbh…
But yeah, the problem with those is that they’re so damn fragile, that even if the USB connection is loose for a second, even if you aren’t transferring anything at the time, if they haven’t been ejected yet, they tend to fry, and lose data…
Which, as you can imagine, is the worst feeling, lol…
Normal for Apple... they just don't want it easy to work with Windows, so can only read Windows' NTFS filesystem.
Apple uses APFS but it's only for solid state drives, and if you use it on a spinning hard drive it'll be complete dogshit. They have older HFS+ for spinning hard drives. Any drive can be erased and reset to a different filesystem using Disk Utility or whatever it's called on mac.
Yeah, my current (old) 8GIG Intel Ram is so appallingly bad it’s not even funny (on the MacBook), but that’s not surprising, of course, lol…
Apparently (I forgot about this), I need to consider the damn CPU fan, because the one on the MacBook is literally always struggling…
In my limited understanding of this shit, that would be because the CPU just isn’t coping, with even basic shit, yeah?
So if I simply get one that works properly, that shouldn’t be so much of a problem, at least for the first few years, right? Lol…
I know that’s super basic, but I honestly forgot to mention it!
The fan is so loud, on the current one, that you can frequently hear it from the next (connected) room over… It’s THAT bad, lol…
So an, uhh… Less noisy computer would almost literally be life changing, ha!
Pretty sure even the cheapest M1 should be fine so it's just screen size and whatever else. Fan probably you won't ever hear even when you're doing your matrix maths.
Here's a thought for you, what are you going to do with your old laptop? If it's one with an ethernet port you could plug it directly into the wifi, attach whatever usb drives, and share them using whatever mac sharing is built in. I don't have a mac so I can't say how that is done exactly.
Then you just get one good connection to a usb hub, never jostle the wires, and you're good. Have all your files available while you're at home, sit in front of the tv or whatever with no wires. On the go you have your 256 GiB built-in, or maybe you get a larger size if needed. That might work for you depending on how you plan to use the thing. It'd be a little slow depending on how fast your wifi router is, but you might not even notice except when doing a backup or sync maybe. If it doesn't have ethernet to plug in directly then it has to go twice on wifi which would slow it down by half.
The thing I'm not sure about is how you get Photos / Movies to use a network drive. Sure it can be done, but Apple tends to put everything on the main drive and just expect you to fork over the dough.
A few things I've found spec-wise as someone who does a lot of photo editing at times. You want lots of RAM. Don't even consider something with less than 16GB. If I were going for longevity I'd want 32GB. Not that you'd necessarily need that today but you seem like me in that this will be something you want to have for a while. Particularly if you're buying a laptop since upgrades are not likely to be do-able. That's what I've found at least with software like Lightroom is that once I start opening up and editing a few different photos the RAM is gone in a blink. The good news is I don't notice photo stuff to be that hard on graphics cards...they use them but to a fraction of what gaming does. If I had to guess a lot of the stuff you mention is CPU heavy. That's a lot easier to get in a laptop form factor.
I've always been a fan of the Thinkpad X1 series, but a lot of this depends on what you want. I like thin and light over all, because I'm really a desktop guy at heart and if I'm buying a laptop it's because I need to move it around. I've had my hands on Dell and HP models and I wouldn't be afraid to buy one of those either. Although you're going to have to spend into the high-end to be happy with it I think. The low cost models I find either skimp on specs or build quality and you can't get both for cheap. I've got some PC gamer friends with something like a CyberPower or one of those "gamer" type companies and while I think they are good specs they are absolutely massive and clunky and it would be a cold day in hell before I'd carry that around all day.
Suggestion for your terabytes of photos that's sort of extra to this...look at archiving on discs. I don't really like to trash RAW files ever, but even my 20MP camera is burning up 25MB per file. If it's some sort of event like I did an F1 practice day where I'm doing bursts, it burns through the GB like it's not there. I started using a blu-ray burner and 50GB/100GB discs to archive things that I want to keep but don't necessarily need instant access to. The USB burner and discs in sleeves all together is like the size of a small book and I've got probably 2 TB of stuff stored like that. Keeps me from having to spend money on more hard drive space and high quality discs will outlive me.
Thanks for the advice re discs, and I second the bursts, bit, too!
Funny that. Obviously I know less, but let me just confirm, word for word, all you just said, lol (that I know, anyway)…
It’s insane when I do an (admittedly, but) upload, and it’s like “Aaaannnd there goes 10GB of space, in one go”, ha… 🤦🏻♂️
Good advice! Yes, on the RAM thing…
I have that problem, too, but with just… Basic editing.
Only 8GB of RAM, quad-processor, though, and slightly over a decade old, so… No surprise, there, lol!
It’s funny, though, because the speakers and camera on it are excellent, even better than the 2015 Pro I’ve used… I’m yet to find another model that can replicate that quality, internally, yet, unfortunately…
Cheers!