I don't know about Murray's new book itself, but the article is a mixed bag. The discussion of IQ is fine, but then there is stuff like this.
abandonment of the American principle of a meritocracy and treatment of citizens as individuals, not members of a race, ethnic group, or tribe.
That's only been an "American principle" since the 1960s, if ever. See the Naturalization Act of 1790. It's revisionist history to say that America was a "color blind" meritocracy at its founding. This is a faction of liberals trying to appeal to American traditions that never existed.
Their vision for America will result in a multiracial society with an East-Asian upper class, white middle class, and black and mestizo lower classes. How do you get blacks and mestizos to accept "their place" in the resultant hierarchy? I've yet to see anyone who advocates for "IQ nationalism" offer any worthwhile insight as to how to get there. Also, how do you stop the elites from mobilizing the lower class against the middle class? This is already happening with BLM and has a long history with other race riots.
I also question what all this "meritocracy" is supposed to accomplish. What's the point of such a diverse nation? If I wanted to be ruled by Asians, I'd move to China or Japan.
You make a good point but I don’t know how else we can operate outside of meritocracy. We currently live in a society that punishes you for success, encourages you when you show bad behavior, and constantly making excuses for failure (not your fault you failed, blame slavery).
I’m black and I’m aware of the average IQ studies but I was fortunate to have a two parent home and a mom who insisted we read on our own and despised using race as a crutch. She also made us memorize vocabulary words. I’m average intelligence at best but I will say I’m grateful for having a love for reading instilled at a young age. My dad constantly told me the world wasn’t fair and that nobody owes me anything. I hated it at the time but I think more people need to hear that now.
All this to say that focus and discipline can help someone with a lower IQ but you bring up a major issue. As long as there are lower classes there will always be those who will tell them that their situations aren’t their fault and stoke anger. I’m not sure how to deal with that.
I don't like discussing race on this sub cause the mods are sensitive but I'll give it a shot, maybe they'll listen to my name...
Segregation is how we operate. We're already going toward this end but haven't realized it yet. Black movies, black businesses, black culture. black music etc... How do you think Chinese people operate when they come into a foreign city? They setup their China town, their friends kids all are friends with their friends kids, same schools, shop at same local businesses etc... Hell, even white or jewish democrats and liberals that push integration then go and move to a 96% white neighborhood. People don't truly want integration and if they do want it people should be allowed to want it at their own pace rather than have it rammed down their throats by governments.
Step 1: Repeal the Civil Rights Act.
Forced integration is a failure IMO and actually harms everyone in the process. Right now it is harming whites the most. This whole D&I crap seems to be nothing more than punishment for white people. This is how larger nations functioned for centuries. The X race would stick to their side, the Y race to their side. Everyone is happy. If the country is under attack they maybe join forces for a time etc...
If we actually stopped pushing forced integration and let different groups naturally segregate, I think everyone would be better off in the long run.
I tend to associate with anyone regardless of race and have friends of different races but I’m all for not forcing people together who don’t want to be. I tend to have traditional minded Christian like myself as my closest friends.
There definitely is a very strong anti white sentiment for sure but I wouldn’t forcefully segregate or integrate. If it makes you happier to only associate with your own race then be happy. I have some dear friends who are white and I do have some white ancestry so I have some distant cousins I’m close to as well.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts though. I can agree with you to a point but I’d never forcefully segregate or integrate. But I don’t think you were against voluntary associations
I'm not against voluntary associations just against people forcing themselves on others on the grounds of discrimination if they are not welcomed.
So for example if I say you can't shop here because you're black. That's fine. If you say I have to serve you because it's a hate crime not to serve you because you're black, that's a problem.
I don't know about Murray's new book itself, but the article is a mixed bag. The discussion of IQ is fine, but then there is stuff like this.
That's only been an "American principle" since the 1960s, if ever. See the Naturalization Act of 1790. It's revisionist history to say that America was a "color blind" meritocracy at its founding. This is a faction of liberals trying to appeal to American traditions that never existed.
Their vision for America will result in a multiracial society with an East-Asian upper class, white middle class, and black and mestizo lower classes. How do you get blacks and mestizos to accept "their place" in the resultant hierarchy? I've yet to see anyone who advocates for "IQ nationalism" offer any worthwhile insight as to how to get there. Also, how do you stop the elites from mobilizing the lower class against the middle class? This is already happening with BLM and has a long history with other race riots.
I also question what all this "meritocracy" is supposed to accomplish. What's the point of such a diverse nation? If I wanted to be ruled by Asians, I'd move to China or Japan.
You make a good point but I don’t know how else we can operate outside of meritocracy. We currently live in a society that punishes you for success, encourages you when you show bad behavior, and constantly making excuses for failure (not your fault you failed, blame slavery).
I’m black and I’m aware of the average IQ studies but I was fortunate to have a two parent home and a mom who insisted we read on our own and despised using race as a crutch. She also made us memorize vocabulary words. I’m average intelligence at best but I will say I’m grateful for having a love for reading instilled at a young age. My dad constantly told me the world wasn’t fair and that nobody owes me anything. I hated it at the time but I think more people need to hear that now.
All this to say that focus and discipline can help someone with a lower IQ but you bring up a major issue. As long as there are lower classes there will always be those who will tell them that their situations aren’t their fault and stoke anger. I’m not sure how to deal with that.
I don't like discussing race on this sub cause the mods are sensitive but I'll give it a shot, maybe they'll listen to my name...
Segregation is how we operate. We're already going toward this end but haven't realized it yet. Black movies, black businesses, black culture. black music etc... How do you think Chinese people operate when they come into a foreign city? They setup their China town, their friends kids all are friends with their friends kids, same schools, shop at same local businesses etc... Hell, even white or jewish democrats and liberals that push integration then go and move to a 96% white neighborhood. People don't truly want integration and if they do want it people should be allowed to want it at their own pace rather than have it rammed down their throats by governments.
Step 1: Repeal the Civil Rights Act.
Forced integration is a failure IMO and actually harms everyone in the process. Right now it is harming whites the most. This whole D&I crap seems to be nothing more than punishment for white people. This is how larger nations functioned for centuries. The X race would stick to their side, the Y race to their side. Everyone is happy. If the country is under attack they maybe join forces for a time etc...
If we actually stopped pushing forced integration and let different groups naturally segregate, I think everyone would be better off in the long run.
I tend to associate with anyone regardless of race and have friends of different races but I’m all for not forcing people together who don’t want to be. I tend to have traditional minded Christian like myself as my closest friends.
There definitely is a very strong anti white sentiment for sure but I wouldn’t forcefully segregate or integrate. If it makes you happier to only associate with your own race then be happy. I have some dear friends who are white and I do have some white ancestry so I have some distant cousins I’m close to as well.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts though. I can agree with you to a point but I’d never forcefully segregate or integrate. But I don’t think you were against voluntary associations
I'm not against voluntary associations just against people forcing themselves on others on the grounds of discrimination if they are not welcomed.
So for example if I say you can't shop here because you're black. That's fine. If you say I have to serve you because it's a hate crime not to serve you because you're black, that's a problem.
You're kinda proving the whole point in a one-off fragment of a sentence.
Cause, I'd like to introduce you to my good friend, Effect.