that clashes with nationalism which demands a degree of conformity to a national identity, even if it's not a racialist view of nationalism
That's a fair distinction between he and the rest for sure. I simply believe a lot of his identity and beliefs are simply a result of his continued isolation and madness instead of a result of his actual political core. As in, if he could get into the little joke threads about Jews or trannies like a lot of guys here, he would be far less mad.
As such, I think we are simply coming at it from very different perspectives. I am looking at a man as an individual, while you a more general position about greater ideological combats.
There are incels. I know he isn't one, but he would fit in with them.
You'd be surprised at how few of them are incels. I was a part of that movement in the 2000s and on, and most of the problem wasn't getting women but simply the damage those women did to them. Divorce was one of the most common things that brought a man to the movement.
But they were unable to actually hate women. It was always nebulous elites and feminists, and that women were just brainwashed victims that could be changed to be good, trad (not that this term existed then) girls again. Its why so many of their big figure heads were women.
The "Manosphere" is far more diverse than most give it credit for, and every corner has a shard of the right idea covered by their own blathering bullshit. In the same way Our Boi has a lot of right ideas lost in his soap box.
I could talk for pages about the problems with the "Anti-feminist" movement and its history, but that's not on trial here. Ironically, more men like him would have helped it survive because of how much it was coopted and ruined by women.
As such, I think we are simply coming at it from very different perspectives. I am looking at a man as an individual, while you a more general position about greater ideological combats.
I don't think they are separable. Liberalism is producing this broken society full of broken, alienated, isolated people like an assembly line.
You'd be surprised at how few of them are incels.
To clarify, I'm talking about incels as a separate group, not as part of any of these others. I did my time in the manosphere (2015-2018 or around then), mostly MRA stuff, so I'm fairly familiar with it. I checked out some incel things to see what all the fuss was about and noped out quickly. They didn't seem hesitant to hate women at all and were really fucked up people.
Liberalism produces the circumstances that can create these people in mass quantities, but these people come to exist each in their own unique ways.
I checked out some incel things to see what all the fuss was about and noped out quickly. They didn't seem hesitant to hate women at all and were really fucked up people.
Most are lashing out due to extreme loneliness, which in turn warps them further and further into a worldview that cannot sustain itself and worse, does not exist anymore. I find them more pitiful than evil, and spent most of my time/effort as a psychologist working with men like them.
You'd be surprised at how little effort it takes to undo the echo chamber and years of rage. They will forever be warped to some extent, but they are far easier to make a decent person out of than almost any Leftist.
Which circles back to point one. In mass quantities they seem like a broken mass of evil, but each one in his own unique way can be changed and brought back.
In mass quantities they seem like a broken mass of evil, but each one in his own unique way can be changed and brought back.
Sure, but it's whack-a-mole until there are major structural changes. They will be created faster than they can be reprogrammed. I bet a lot of prospective incel types are going trans these days, too.
Sure, but it's whack-a-mole until there are major structural change
Of course, but I cannot do major structural changes overnight. I do what I can there but its a slow and uncertain venture.
But you can pull one person back from the nether, and they in turn might help someone else, or even just be one less preacher spreading either tranny evil or black pill giving up to other people.
If you can help people who deserve to be helped, in what sense can you morally justify not doing so?
That's a fair distinction between he and the rest for sure. I simply believe a lot of his identity and beliefs are simply a result of his continued isolation and madness instead of a result of his actual political core. As in, if he could get into the little joke threads about Jews or trannies like a lot of guys here, he would be far less mad.
As such, I think we are simply coming at it from very different perspectives. I am looking at a man as an individual, while you a more general position about greater ideological combats.
You'd be surprised at how few of them are incels. I was a part of that movement in the 2000s and on, and most of the problem wasn't getting women but simply the damage those women did to them. Divorce was one of the most common things that brought a man to the movement.
But they were unable to actually hate women. It was always nebulous elites and feminists, and that women were just brainwashed victims that could be changed to be good, trad (not that this term existed then) girls again. Its why so many of their big figure heads were women.
The "Manosphere" is far more diverse than most give it credit for, and every corner has a shard of the right idea covered by their own blathering bullshit. In the same way Our Boi has a lot of right ideas lost in his soap box.
I could talk for pages about the problems with the "Anti-feminist" movement and its history, but that's not on trial here. Ironically, more men like him would have helped it survive because of how much it was coopted and ruined by women.
I don't think they are separable. Liberalism is producing this broken society full of broken, alienated, isolated people like an assembly line.
To clarify, I'm talking about incels as a separate group, not as part of any of these others. I did my time in the manosphere (2015-2018 or around then), mostly MRA stuff, so I'm fairly familiar with it. I checked out some incel things to see what all the fuss was about and noped out quickly. They didn't seem hesitant to hate women at all and were really fucked up people.
Liberalism produces the circumstances that can create these people in mass quantities, but these people come to exist each in their own unique ways.
Most are lashing out due to extreme loneliness, which in turn warps them further and further into a worldview that cannot sustain itself and worse, does not exist anymore. I find them more pitiful than evil, and spent most of my time/effort as a psychologist working with men like them.
You'd be surprised at how little effort it takes to undo the echo chamber and years of rage. They will forever be warped to some extent, but they are far easier to make a decent person out of than almost any Leftist.
Which circles back to point one. In mass quantities they seem like a broken mass of evil, but each one in his own unique way can be changed and brought back.
I would agree with that.
Sure, but it's whack-a-mole until there are major structural changes. They will be created faster than they can be reprogrammed. I bet a lot of prospective incel types are going trans these days, too.
Of course, but I cannot do major structural changes overnight. I do what I can there but its a slow and uncertain venture.
But you can pull one person back from the nether, and they in turn might help someone else, or even just be one less preacher spreading either tranny evil or black pill giving up to other people.
If you can help people who deserve to be helped, in what sense can you morally justify not doing so?