As such, I think we are simply coming at it from very different perspectives. I am looking at a man as an individual, while you a more general position about greater ideological combats.
I don't think they are separable. Liberalism is producing this broken society full of broken, alienated, isolated people like an assembly line.
You'd be surprised at how few of them are incels.
To clarify, I'm talking about incels as a separate group, not as part of any of these others. I did my time in the manosphere (2015-2018 or around then), mostly MRA stuff, so I'm fairly familiar with it. I checked out some incel things to see what all the fuss was about and noped out quickly. They didn't seem hesitant to hate women at all and were really fucked up people.
Liberalism produces the circumstances that can create these people in mass quantities, but these people come to exist each in their own unique ways.
I checked out some incel things to see what all the fuss was about and noped out quickly. They didn't seem hesitant to hate women at all and were really fucked up people.
Most are lashing out due to extreme loneliness, which in turn warps them further and further into a worldview that cannot sustain itself and worse, does not exist anymore. I find them more pitiful than evil, and spent most of my time/effort as a psychologist working with men like them.
You'd be surprised at how little effort it takes to undo the echo chamber and years of rage. They will forever be warped to some extent, but they are far easier to make a decent person out of than almost any Leftist.
Which circles back to point one. In mass quantities they seem like a broken mass of evil, but each one in his own unique way can be changed and brought back.
In mass quantities they seem like a broken mass of evil, but each one in his own unique way can be changed and brought back.
Sure, but it's whack-a-mole until there are major structural changes. They will be created faster than they can be reprogrammed. I bet a lot of prospective incel types are going trans these days, too.
Sure, but it's whack-a-mole until there are major structural change
Of course, but I cannot do major structural changes overnight. I do what I can there but its a slow and uncertain venture.
But you can pull one person back from the nether, and they in turn might help someone else, or even just be one less preacher spreading either tranny evil or black pill giving up to other people.
If you can help people who deserve to be helped, in what sense can you morally justify not doing so?
If you can help people who deserve to be helped, in what sense can you morally justify not doing so?
Who says I don't? To me, understanding these structural issues and personal problems go together. Hence, talking about them helps people.
As for Imp1 in particular, I've tried specifically warning him that the markets weren't going to save him, that the brands he insists aren't pozzed were on borrowed time. If he had listened, Epic doing a girl power things wouldn't have bothered him so much.
I also try to point out to him and others that liberalism is bullshit. His rage ultimately stems from liberalism's broken promises. He won't ever move on from rage until he lets go of those false ideals. You can only help those who are willing to help themselves.
I don't think they are separable. Liberalism is producing this broken society full of broken, alienated, isolated people like an assembly line.
To clarify, I'm talking about incels as a separate group, not as part of any of these others. I did my time in the manosphere (2015-2018 or around then), mostly MRA stuff, so I'm fairly familiar with it. I checked out some incel things to see what all the fuss was about and noped out quickly. They didn't seem hesitant to hate women at all and were really fucked up people.
Liberalism produces the circumstances that can create these people in mass quantities, but these people come to exist each in their own unique ways.
Most are lashing out due to extreme loneliness, which in turn warps them further and further into a worldview that cannot sustain itself and worse, does not exist anymore. I find them more pitiful than evil, and spent most of my time/effort as a psychologist working with men like them.
You'd be surprised at how little effort it takes to undo the echo chamber and years of rage. They will forever be warped to some extent, but they are far easier to make a decent person out of than almost any Leftist.
Which circles back to point one. In mass quantities they seem like a broken mass of evil, but each one in his own unique way can be changed and brought back.
I would agree with that.
Sure, but it's whack-a-mole until there are major structural changes. They will be created faster than they can be reprogrammed. I bet a lot of prospective incel types are going trans these days, too.
Of course, but I cannot do major structural changes overnight. I do what I can there but its a slow and uncertain venture.
But you can pull one person back from the nether, and they in turn might help someone else, or even just be one less preacher spreading either tranny evil or black pill giving up to other people.
If you can help people who deserve to be helped, in what sense can you morally justify not doing so?
Who says I don't? To me, understanding these structural issues and personal problems go together. Hence, talking about them helps people.
As for Imp1 in particular, I've tried specifically warning him that the markets weren't going to save him, that the brands he insists aren't pozzed were on borrowed time. If he had listened, Epic doing a girl power things wouldn't have bothered him so much.
I also try to point out to him and others that liberalism is bullshit. His rage ultimately stems from liberalism's broken promises. He won't ever move on from rage until he lets go of those false ideals. You can only help those who are willing to help themselves.