Define denial? Would it be mentioning the 12M or whatever non-Jews who were killed as a result of the Holocaust? Would it be arguing it was still a large amount of Jews killed but not the 6M figure we're given? What about comparing the treatment of Jews and the disabled, the Roma, or other ethnic or religious groups?
I wouldn't say there wasn't a Holocaust but "denial" can be anything
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
We're talking about literal millions of dead scattered across Europe. You can't get that specific of a number. You can't get that specific number of the amount of American servicemen killed in WW2.
The Germans didn't keep that many lists and weren't that level of autistic and detail, and they certainly didn't keep lists when they were just sending people to shoot 30-40 at a time.
This is the whole reason most calculations are kept to only a few significant digits, normally 3. Specification of 6 or 7 digits is nearly impossible along with error propagation, even when you're trying to be very careful about the numbers you're counting.
What we an assert is a range. Clearly under 15 (based on how you define what constitutes as an act within the Holocaust).
So they were so efficient they could build entire infrastructure in secret without documentation to eradicate 6 million Jews during wartime, but they were also sloppy and we can't trust their paperwork even though their efficiency is a literal national stereotype and a notable trait of the Third Reich's operations in general.
But we keep talking as if the Holohoax was real, which there would be a lot of evidence outside of "eyewitness accounts" (lotsa eye witnesses left.dor a HOLOCAUST, don't you think?) were it real. Which it wasn't. So fuck your law against speaking the truth about the holohoax.
You want the names and finger prints of each and every individual that was ever arrested, that's not going to happen because that's not how a bureaucracy works or maintains itself. That's called the concept of "resolution". You being ignorant is not a refutation of reality.
Then, of course, is the intentional destruction of documentation, and the intentional effort to keep most of executions relatively quiet and classified.
There is a lot of evidence outside of eyewitness accounts, including mass graves. You Socialists are all the fucking same. You are fundamentally ignorant of literally every aspect of the Holocaust. It's why I've actually had to explain to you morons before that there were 34 registered mass grave sites related to the Holocaust in just one Eastern European state. And why I had to explain that not all 6 million Jews were killed in Auschwitz. You literally don't know anything about it, because you don't care. You want to eradicate the bourgeoisie, you know it happened, you're glad it did, you'd do it again, you're just lying because you're hoping to attract a few useful idiots like a Tankie saying that Katyn was a Nazi atrocity.
Define denial? Would it be mentioning the 12M or whatever non-Jews who were killed as a result of the Holocaust? Would it be arguing it was still a large amount of Jews killed but not the 6M figure we're given? What about comparing the treatment of Jews and the disabled, the Roma, or other ethnic or religious groups?
I wouldn't say there wasn't a Holocaust but "denial" can be anything
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
We're talking about literal millions of dead scattered across Europe. You can't get that specific of a number. You can't get that specific number of the amount of American servicemen killed in WW2.
The Germans didn't keep that many lists and weren't that level of autistic and detail, and they certainly didn't keep lists when they were just sending people to shoot 30-40 at a time.
This is the whole reason most calculations are kept to only a few significant digits, normally 3. Specification of 6 or 7 digits is nearly impossible along with error propagation, even when you're trying to be very careful about the numbers you're counting.
What we an assert is a range. Clearly under 15 (based on how you define what constitutes as an act within the Holocaust).
So they were so efficient they could build entire infrastructure in secret without documentation to eradicate 6 million Jews during wartime, but they were also sloppy and we can't trust their paperwork even though their efficiency is a literal national stereotype and a notable trait of the Third Reich's operations in general.
But we keep talking as if the Holohoax was real, which there would be a lot of evidence outside of "eyewitness accounts" (lotsa eye witnesses left.dor a HOLOCAUST, don't you think?) were it real. Which it wasn't. So fuck your law against speaking the truth about the holohoax.
No one said without documentation.
No one said that they were sloppy.
You want the names and finger prints of each and every individual that was ever arrested, that's not going to happen because that's not how a bureaucracy works or maintains itself. That's called the concept of "resolution". You being ignorant is not a refutation of reality.
Then, of course, is the intentional destruction of documentation, and the intentional effort to keep most of executions relatively quiet and classified.
There is a lot of evidence outside of eyewitness accounts, including mass graves. You Socialists are all the fucking same. You are fundamentally ignorant of literally every aspect of the Holocaust. It's why I've actually had to explain to you morons before that there were 34 registered mass grave sites related to the Holocaust in just one Eastern European state. And why I had to explain that not all 6 million Jews were killed in Auschwitz. You literally don't know anything about it, because you don't care. You want to eradicate the bourgeoisie, you know it happened, you're glad it did, you'd do it again, you're just lying because you're hoping to attract a few useful idiots like a Tankie saying that Katyn was a Nazi atrocity.