Define denial? Would it be mentioning the 12M or whatever non-Jews who were killed as a result of the Holocaust? Would it be arguing it was still a large amount of Jews killed but not the 6M figure we're given? What about comparing the treatment of Jews and the disabled, the Roma, or other ethnic or religious groups?
I wouldn't say there wasn't a Holocaust but "denial" can be anything
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
I have seen real, physical evidence of jews referencing the 6 million figure before WW2 even happend when talking about some sort of prophetic Jewish event. Can't recall the details honestly it's so tiresome.
Yeah. And you can use ground penetrating radar at any of those sites and find (surprise!) evidence of dead bodies buried under the ground.
Yet six million bodies disappeared with no evidence whatsoever, no graves ever found minus a small corner grave that any camp would have for the inevitable deaths that would occur.
Where's that big mass holocaust grave site that we can use radar to conclusively prove the Holocaust happened? Oh, right...
Define denial? Would it be mentioning the 12M or whatever non-Jews who were killed as a result of the Holocaust? Would it be arguing it was still a large amount of Jews killed but not the 6M figure we're given? What about comparing the treatment of Jews and the disabled, the Roma, or other ethnic or religious groups?
I wouldn't say there wasn't a Holocaust but "denial" can be anything
The numbers listed here just prompted a thought. Only tangentially related, but I guess it could be related in the sense of "what is holocaust denial's range?".
"Lest we forget" is the mantra, the motto, the refrain, right? But... Even in the most "accept it at face value" case, there's no way it was EXACTLY 6M. Over, under, around, give-or-take, depending-on-your-definitions, it's not going to be EXACTLY that. The reason we know it's 6 million is the Germans made lots of lists. Lists with names. Checklists. Instead of using those, we actively forget and round it off.
So... I can understand being off by a couple dozen in either direction, a few score, maybe a couple hundred due to runaways, or even a couple thousand due to lost paperwork... But why round it to just one significant digit?
It dehumanizes the dead. Coarse, wild rounding is meant for things like "grains of rice" or "beans in a can", not human lives. What is more personable, more impactful? "Six million died", or "Five million, nine hundred eighty seven thousand, nine hundred and thirty seven people"? The lower number, due to its specificity, carries more weight, more humanity within it. Numbers pulled from thin air here, since my whole complaint is we don't USE a proper number.
That could be denial, depending on their legal definitions, complaining of lack of a proper number... But it's just weird that we actively seek to forget by making it simple nice round numbers.
I've seen no evidence of 6 million.
I have seen real, physical evidence of jews referencing the 6 million figure before WW2 even happend when talking about some sort of prophetic Jewish event. Can't recall the details honestly it's so tiresome.
Have you tried going to Europe and seeing any of their mass graves?
I mean from any war. Europe's covered in them.
Yeah. And you can use ground penetrating radar at any of those sites and find (surprise!) evidence of dead bodies buried under the ground.
Yet six million bodies disappeared with no evidence whatsoever, no graves ever found minus a small corner grave that any camp would have for the inevitable deaths that would occur.
Where's that big mass holocaust grave site that we can use radar to conclusively prove the Holocaust happened? Oh, right...