I decided to try out tinder and discovered the site is absolute garbage. There are no real browsing options, interest selection is limited, there are fucking trannies who failed to properly disclose their status so they show up where they shouldn't, and it prohibits you from manually disclosing your location by forcing you to use location services.
Edit: Was likely banned for saying in the account description I hate regressive leftists and muslims, and also for saying I hate gender identity. Another possibility was that defending lolicon got me wrongfully banned for pro-pedo speech.
Dating is definitely harder, and most people are now brainwashed, but it’s still not too hard. Be in the top 20% of guys and you can still meet quality people. Work out, get your shit together, have a profile pic or two that doesn’t suck. I agree it was better before but on the flip side if you’re in the top 20% of men it’s also easier for you on the apps.
I've often said this but no on seems to get it. As a man, you can usually improve yourself to be in the top 20% of men or there about, this is true but you can't make women any better. The issue is that the quality of women has come way down. There really aren't enough quality women out there. Think about this. Elon Musk, Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos can't even hold a wife down. You think you can?
The issue isn't that men need to try harder and you'll find a good woman, the issue is that there truly aren't any good women. Just some less bad than others.
If you're looking for sex, you can buy it cheaply enough or find it on Tinder cheaply etc... but finding a woman who is wife material is all but impossible even for the top 20% of men. The only men finding wives these days are men that get exploited by women so if you're a quality man who understands things, you can't accept such a relationship.
See you in two weeks, because that's definitely going to get R16 banned.
Two weeks? Come on this isn't my first rodeo. The mods will ban me 10 separate times for each word in my sentence and I'll end up suspended for 3 months at least.
It's funny, I get away with worse talk about women on The_Tradcon than I do here.
I'm so sick of the idiots there that say that "China made them bad" like all this shit started with TikTok though. They're just the TD version of ConPro posters.
The general quality of women have gone down but I’ve still found plenty of great people. Workout, be smart funny and articulate, have money and your finances together, and it’s easier to attract someone. A lot of girls are ‘made’ into marriage material by wanting to get with a quality guy, and you can still do that by being a quality guy. Market is worse today than it was before for most guys but you can still do well. I wouldn’t compare things to Elon and such because those are all workaholic guys that are space cadets and can’t find anyone really that’s not in part after their money. It’s a different game at that level.
I can't say I share your experience. I make well over 6-figures, own a house, I'm well-travelled, I workout, I'm smarter than most people, I'm articulate and I'm funny. I haven't found a decent woman. It's not for a lack of trying either. I've looked in almost every nook and cranny imaginable too. Even tried joining a Mormon church to find a suitable wife. My latest idea was trying some Hutterite colony.
I think lots of people underestimate how important age is. You describe "girls are made into marriage material', well this is true but only girls are. Once a woman is passed ~25-30yo, she's no longer that mouldable. Your ideal age is as young as possible, so like ~18-20. This is specifically why corporations like to hire new-grads straight from university so the corporation can indoctrinate the young 22yo with as much corporate propaganda as possible to shape the person into a good little corporate drone. Did you know investment banks almost exclusively all refuse to hire 30yo+ people into analyst roles? Why? Because they can't shape the people into what they want. They find 30yos have already solidified into the kind of employee they're going to be for the rest of their life by then. They almost only hire 22yos exclusively. You need to do the same thing with women to make them good wives but you are competing with social media, their friend circles, the corporation they work for, hollywood, etc... and while you as the man likely will win-out in the beginning, as time goes on usually these women eventually leave your domination and obey some competing force. This is why it's extremely common to see 20yo girls from small towns get married then divorced by 30yo. They submitted to the man in the beginning then rebelled against the man in the end. This is why younger women are both ideal but also pose high risk because their loyalty to you can be subverted easily by outside influences, which women have much exposure to these day.
Everything I just said something a 20yo man has no hope of truly understanding nor do many even want to believe what I'm saying. My words are something only a 30yo+ man could truly grasp but then the ability to acquire a 20yo woman at my age is nearly impossible. Women closer to my age are already locked into the personality they're going to have for the rest of their life and I can't mould it much anymore so what you're saying about just be a good quality man and the woman will do whatever you want her to doesn't really hold true for men my age anymore.
If I knew what I know now 10 years ago I probably could have had a wife but I missed the boat.
You completely hit the nail on the head with this.
You are correct that only men past their 20s understand this.
Men in their 20s are still sadly too naive about the current state of women that they think the old advice of the redpill/ the manosphere of just get jacked bro, get money and then get women is all it takes to solve this.
No amount of lifting, accruing currency and developing myself as a person has done anything to even start to fix the various problems plaguing modern women.
I obviously still lift and still want to make more money and focus on cool hobbies but it is solely for myself.
None of these things has done anything for me when it comes to coming close to finding just one decent woman worthy of any long term investment.
Men need to understand that you cannot fix female behavior via male self improvement.
Maybe we’re looking for different things I guess. My 20s are long gone but I still usually end up getting with someone that’s 21. Not sure why. I don’t pick them because they’re 21, though that’s at times a perk. Meet them all on dating apps. I know guys well into their 40’s that still pull girls that are in their early 20s. Here anyway. Probably different in other areas.
Done younger and 25’s and even one 34 and 36 and they were all pretty cool, though the 30’s ones usually end up shooting themselves in the foot by demanding a great deal while adamantly having less to offer and being ill tempered by comparison to their competition. I do enviably well but I’m talking $10 million house type demands while they retire and we hire a nanny. In exchange they’re prepared to offer seemingly nothing. That ain’t happening in a $10 million house. Not that I could afford one.
I don’t mind girls closer to my age, sans fertility concerns, but they usually have such high demands that it’s a non starter. I do enviably well and had to build it all myself, and in exchange usually they’re in debt or have some normal to okay job they want to bail on and what they have to offer is the privilege of sex with them, which isn’t enough. If they were nice and wanted to be a real partner and work hard together or something that’d be fine. I don’t really have high demands. If someone wants the princess treatment though, they have to actually approach being a princess. Be nice, pretty, young. Something.
My last girl got indoctrinated in a hyper leftist master’s program and that ruined things over Covid, but realistically, I’ll probably find someone else that’s 21ish and about to or just having graduated from undergrad and marry that and fill her with babies.