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RIP Chile :( They now have an actual marxist as President. (archive.ph)
posted 4 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor 4 years ago by onetruephilosoraptor +93 / -0
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– SupremeReader 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

The CIA doesn't know how to do military coups

I think they did pretty well with Pinochet and his junta friends.

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– TentElephant 19 points 4 years ago +19 / -0

This is a widely believed myth. People such as Christopher Hitchens have inferred that America was behind the coup simply because it was so well executed, which is insulting to the Chileans. The CIA didn't know who Pinochet was until after he took control of Chile. There is no evidence that the CIA had any hand in it.

The CIA did toy with the idea of backing Generals Viaux and Valenzuela before Allende was inaugurated in 1970. While they did provide three sub machine guns and tear gas grenades to Valenzuela, they didn't know what they were for and the weapons weren't even used for the kidnapping attempt of General Schneider that turned into an assassination. After Schneider's death, the CIA withdrew to an intelligence gathering only posture. It was so hands off that they weren't even aware of the possibility of the failed El Tancazo coup in June 1973 nor the successful September coup by Pinochet.

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– AbolishFemaleVote 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Your judgement is laughable. You even admit the CIA supplied guns to the assassins. That clearly shows they were complicit. They also provided money and urged the killers to get on with it, we have the diplomatic cables now. Get real you clown!

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– Xzal 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

Person A and Person B are fighting over Object 1.

Person C asks person D for a gun, but doesn't say why. Person C gives the gun to their favoured participant.

Person B was not installed or made the victor by Person D. Did they make it easier? Yes.

There's a difference. The CIA saw an opportunity and took it, but that does not mean they installed Pinochet.

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– TentElephant 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Even that gives more credit to the CIA than they deserve. Three years after Person A successfully acquires Object 1, Person P takes it from Person A without any involvement from Persons B and C, while Person D had never even heard of Person P.

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– AbolishFemaleVote 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You are a lying shithead!

CIA documents show unwavering support for Viaux's co-conspirator, Camilo Valenzuela, and also show a $50,000 payment to the kidnap team Viaux had hired. Documents written at the time of the assault on Schneider describe it as part of the "Valenzuela group coup plan."[6] On October 15, 1970 Kissinger allegedly told U.S. President Richard Nixon that he had "turned off" plans to support Viaux, explaining that "Nothing could be worse than an abortive coup."[10] The CIA claimed that no such "stand-down" order was ever received.[11] The U.S. government claims it did not intend for Schneider to be murdered, only kidnapped.

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– TentElephant 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

How does failing at a coup in 1970 make the CIA complicit in Pinochet's successfull takeover in 1973? Why are you so hung up on wanting the CIA to appear competent and based?

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– GallantEnd 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

True, but the CIA is very different now from how they were then.

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– TentElephant 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

The CIA did not have any hand in Pinochet, see my other reply for the very short version. For an in-depth look at this topic, read the book Hostile Intent by Kristian Gustafson, which goes through all the US involvement in Chile from 1964-1974

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– deleted 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0
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– covok48 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Back when they were against Communists until they became Communists.

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