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Imagine doing this to your kid (i.imgur.com)
posted 4 years ago by AntonioOfVenice 4 years ago by AntonioOfVenice +101 / -0
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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

And you don't question it if the information is accurate, it could be exaggerated, after all victors write the history.

Historians write history. And this is often from the perspective of the people who have lost wars.

The historians that were responsible for the WW2 narrative

And who are they? What specifically have they said that you think is incorrect?

We always get what the germans did were bad, we don't get the german side of the story.

Again, where are you getting this idea? What work of history are you referring to that just says "what the Germans did was bad" while not presenting their side.

No serious work of history says anything of the sort. You can read books of close to 1000 pages without anything but an occasional hint that the author disapproves of Nazi atrocities.

Textbook history.

Which textbooks? School textbooks are notoriously bad and inaccurate on many different fronts. That is because they are derivative and not written by actual specialists.

Click on the links I gave you.

You get your history from Youtube videos? No wonder you are confused.

I gave you the evidence why I don't trust the history I learned from textbooks, if you don't read them, there's no point discussing further.

Neither of your links had anything to do with World War II.

And from my anecdote, I have a korean ancestry, I know from personal experience why you never believe only one side of the story. You have no idea how overly they vilify Japan even in children's book.

Ah, this then makes sense.

Not saying Japan is saint, but you know maybe stop exaggerating shit and put their own construed narratives in books for children.

I agree that exaggerations are bad. But it is historians who have done a lot to combat exaggerations. Something like the 'Gestapo' has a very sinister reputation, and rightly so, but actual scholarship shows that it was nowhere near what it has been reputed to be.

I don't really believe what the westerners say in general when there's heavy left wing bias in most media, even fox news isn't enough to tip it to the centre.

Not believing Westerners is an excellent strategy, since most of the nonsense in the modern world comes from the West.

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– Socalwackjob 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Neither of your links had anything to do with World War II.

But these illustrate the point if mainstream media can lie about so many things in the current time, what makes you think historians in the past couldn't? As I explained, if I cannot believe the historians from my own country, I wouldn't believe the textbooks in the west that explained why the nazis are bad.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

Historians are not journalists - difference being that they are actually specialists. As for historians 'in the past' lying or being biased, it is taken for granted that they were.

Like I said, there's not a history book that says "the Nazis were bad".

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– Socalwackjob 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

As for historians 'in the past' lying or being biased, it is taken for granted that they were.

You haven't given me any evidence to prove that. Only your words. Like I said it again and again, I don't believe in what the westerner says of the past. I don't know what your ideologies were, but I can guess what it was even when you joined in KIA and became a mod back in reddit, liberal and atheist. They all usually say the similar things. I have enough experience speaking with them to know what their version of history is like. Historians and journalists are pretty much same thing to me, they can shape the narrative in their own accord for the future generation to just accept and believe. If you can't accept this explanation, I'm moving on. There's no point beating the dead horse.

People who joined Gamergate seems so fond of George Orwell, let me give a quote from him that seems so relevant to what I'm talking about.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

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– AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points 4 years ago +2 / -0

You haven't given me any evidence to prove that.

Well, you haven't cited a single historian of the 'official school', nor said what is incorrect about the narrative.

They all usually say the similar things.

Correct.

If you can't accept this explanation, I'm moving on. There's no point beating the dead horse.

Like I said, you cannot actually substantiate your claims. Probably because it is based on feelings and suspicions, and nothing else. You have not actually read any work of history about World War II, but you feel comfortable to sweepingly dismiss all of it as 'lies' all the same.

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