The Pfizer 6 month trial showed the drug can save 1 life for every 22,000 people vaccinated. It also appeared from the trial that the drug killed more people than it saved (there were 20 deaths in the treatment group vs. 14 in placebo after unblinding). So we are “saving” fewer than 10,000 lives at the expense of over 150,000 deaths. In short, we kill 15 people to save 1. That’s incredibly stupid. But nobody in the Biden administration wants to meet with our team. They basically don’t want to hear the truth. Instead, they focus on deplatforming and censoring us which are techniques that are effective when the data doesn’t work out for yo
There is a pretty good chance that the vaccines don’t really work at all and never did. We know the Pfizer Phase 3 trials were gamed in many ways. There is no doubt that the vaccines elevate antibodies, but it seems that it is quite possible that the immunity they confer is actually the result of killing off (or excluding as in the case of the trials) people with weaker immune systems. The people who are left are thus more resistant to the virus.
That second quote is the really dagger in the heart of the narrative. Without uncontaminated longitudinal data we have no idea if even that one person (versus the 15 killed) is actually saved by the vaccines.
EDIT: Just remembered there was a study by Polish researchers who came to a similar conclusion and the study was promptly pulled from circulation:
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm
I've long said since the vaccines rolled out without proper Phase III and Phase IV testing that we don't know if the people who had lessened or no symptoms from COVID-19 that have been vaccinated could be suffering from the placebo effect.
Anyway, Kirsch welcomed skeptics and pro-vaxxers to actually challenge and dig into the data to discuss how the numbers are inaccurate/wrong, but so far he's had no takers.
This is the guy who was yelling and jumping to conclusions on that Dark Horse podcast with Malone and talking over him all the time, putting words in his mouth.
'I'm right because they won't debate me' no they won't debate you because you act like an unhinged lunatic.
'CDC says there's just more noise in VAERS because of heightened scrutiny but nobody's ever proved that' well you can prove CDC issued unprecedented rules that mandated reporting of any adverse event even if doctors didn't feel it was connected and, it's hard to say how many, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that some irrelevant reports are going to get in VAERS because of that.
It's a shame because there are probably some things he says that are actually true. The vaccines really do seem to have much higher side effects. He probably did contact a bunch of doctors that have cases well over baseline -- but is baseline last year when nobody went to the doctor unless they were literally dying or over a decade? I don't know, and I don't care because I'm not going to trust this guy to be accurate.
VAERS under-reports deaths caused by the Vaccines by a conservative factor of at least 5. As of July 9, 2021, VAERS reported 9,048 deaths associated with the Vaccines. Jane Doe queried data from CMS medical claims, and has determined that the number of deaths occurring with 3 days of injection with the Vaccines exceeds those reported by VAERS by a factor of at least 5, indicating that the true number of deaths caused by the Vaccines is at least 45,000. She notes that in the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine campaign (in which 25% of the U.S. population at that time, 55 million Americans, were vaccinated), the Swine Flu vaccine was deemed dangerous and unsafe, and removed from the market, even though the vaccine resulted in only 53 deaths.
It's not unreasonable to think that between July and November that the figures more than doubled as more people have been vaccinated. The VAERS submissions have only gone up by an astronomical degree.
If you have data that might prove or indicate otherwise, I would love to see it.
But the fact that the FDA, DOD, CDC, and WHO are prohibiting death/SAE-tracking of the vaccines, it's hard to get an official estimate when the health bodies are purposely suppressing the data.
The Yellow Card reporting scheme has reported that between 9 December 2020 and 8 September 2021 there were 1,645 deaths where the person died shortly after receiving one of the coronavirus vaccines. This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation.
1,645 deaths in less than a year is still a shocking number to be linked to a vaccine, but it at least seems feasible.
If the vaccine was killing people at anything like the rate suggestd by your source, it wouldn't be deniable, especially since those most at risk seem to be young men in their teens and early-mid 20's.
Tens of thousands of families don't lose a son in the prime of his life without there being uproar. You can't keep the lid on something like that.
1,645 deaths in less than a year is still a shocking number to be linked to a vaccine, but it at least seems feasible.
Did you actually read the report? It's the same as VAERS, based on self-reports, which means it's based on the information provided by the health authorities who signed off on the death certificate. Here is the relevant bit...
The usefulness of the Yellow Card Scheme is that anyone can report their symptoms and the information can be provided quickly as it is based on notifications, meaning that people can provide information on a possible side effect as soon as it occurs.
(Continued...) Doctors are required by law to certify the cause of death ‘to the best of their knowledge and belief’. [...] For the vaccine to be mentioned on the death certificate the medical professional certifying the death must have believed, to the best of their knowledge, that the vaccine was part of the events that led to the death.
This is the exact same problem we have with VAERS, where some doctors have self-reported and others have not. Even the source you linked states....
This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate.
This brings rise to all manner of questions regarding accuracy of the numbers. What about doctors who are -- in cases in the U.S., -- not reporting AEs, SAEs, and deaths associated with the vaccines? What about deaths caused by the vaccine that are masked as another morbidity (i.e., organ failure)?
The problem is that the data is completely unreliable and dirty, and doesn't appear to offer much in the way of being able to dig into the veracity of the reports.
If the vaccine was killing people at anything like the rate suggestd by your source, it wouldn't be deniable, especially since those most at risk seem to be young men in their teens and early-mid 20's.
That's a begging the question fallacy.
Why wouldn't it be deniable? And WHERE would you get the official reports of these deaths if they're being masked by health authorities and the media?
Tens of thousands of families don't lose a son in the prime of his life without there being uproar. You can't keep the lid on something like that.
Uproar from where? Where would you hear about it? If you post about deaths/SAEs related to the vaccines and they gain traction on social media the accounts are suspended.
So this goes back to the question: where would you report SAEs/deaths that wouldn't be censored by Big Tech/media?
And it doesn't bother you that the FDA, DOD, CDC, and WHO are purposely withholding and prohibiting the tracking of SAEs/death rates by independent bodies?
The usefulness of the Yellow Card Scheme is that anyone can report their symptoms and the information can be provided quickly as it is based on notifications
Or are you now going to tell me that the families of the tens of thousands of dead young men and boys just aren't upset enough to bother reporting what killed their sons?
Or are you now going to tell me that the families of the tens of thousands of dead young men and boys just aren't upset enough to bother reporting what killed their sons?
Anyone can report the symptoms but they're only counting the deaths based on what the doctors certify as vaccine-related deaths. It literally says it right here...
The deaths registrations figures published by ONS show the official figures for when a death involved the COVID-19 vaccination, and when the vaccination was the underlying cause. This means it was recorded as such by a doctor or coroner. There is a time lag, for the reasons described here, so the most recent data relate to deaths registered up to the end of August 2021. This time lag should be borne in mind when using these figures.
EDIT: There's also the issue that not everyone (who is not in the medical profession) will know that the cause of death was entirely vaccine related, especially when -- as I mentioned -- there is masking involved.
You aslo keep ignoring the most important part that I keep asking, though, WHY aren't you more concerned with the fact that the health authorities are suppressing the actual death rates and why aren't you more concerned that independent bodies aren't allowed to track national SAEs/death rates?
That's 1645 UK citizens that died within roughly 1 day of the jab. It can take a week for the mRNA to diffuse from the muscle and into the bloodstream and longer for those protein printing instructions to hit peak output. That's when you get mysterious heart attacks and strokes. If you include these heart attacks and strokes, 150k US deaths doesn't seem unreasonable. That number may also be a projection assuming a higher adoption rate.
Overall the data is really hard to come by. And that this is the case should be super suspicious in and of itself.
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That second quote is the really dagger in the heart of the narrative. Without uncontaminated longitudinal data we have no idea if even that one person (versus the 15 killed) is actually saved by the vaccines.
EDIT: Just remembered there was a study by Polish researchers who came to a similar conclusion and the study was promptly pulled from circulation: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm
I've long said since the vaccines rolled out without proper Phase III and Phase IV testing that we don't know if the people who had lessened or no symptoms from COVID-19 that have been vaccinated could be suffering from the placebo effect.
Unfortunately Pfizer contaminated the data by giving the control group the jab: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/02/19/969143015/long-term-studies-of-covid-19-vaccines-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni
Anyway, Kirsch welcomed skeptics and pro-vaxxers to actually challenge and dig into the data to discuss how the numbers are inaccurate/wrong, but so far he's had no takers.
This doesn't pass the sniff test.
There have definitely not been anywhere close to 150,000 deaths to the vaccine.
This is the guy who was yelling and jumping to conclusions on that Dark Horse podcast with Malone and talking over him all the time, putting words in his mouth.
'I'm right because they won't debate me' no they won't debate you because you act like an unhinged lunatic.
'CDC says there's just more noise in VAERS because of heightened scrutiny but nobody's ever proved that' well you can prove CDC issued unprecedented rules that mandated reporting of any adverse event even if doctors didn't feel it was connected and, it's hard to say how many, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that some irrelevant reports are going to get in VAERS because of that.
It's a shame because there are probably some things he says that are actually true. The vaccines really do seem to have much higher side effects. He probably did contact a bunch of doctors that have cases well over baseline -- but is baseline last year when nobody went to the doctor unless they were literally dying or over a decade? I don't know, and I don't care because I'm not going to trust this guy to be accurate.
According to American Frontline Doctor's lawsuit they had estimated 45,000 deaths between December, 2020 and July, 2021: https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/3c6a0774-cfad-46fa-aa97-af5aa5e74f00/M%20for%20PI%20file%20stamped.pdf
It's not unreasonable to think that between July and November that the figures more than doubled as more people have been vaccinated. The VAERS submissions have only gone up by an astronomical degree.
If you have data that might prove or indicate otherwise, I would love to see it.
But the fact that the FDA, DOD, CDC, and WHO are prohibiting death/SAE-tracking of the vaccines, it's hard to get an official estimate when the health bodies are purposely suppressing the data.
UK office of national statistics:
https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/10/04/how-many-people-have-died-as-a-result-of-a-covid-19-vaccine/
1,645 deaths in less than a year is still a shocking number to be linked to a vaccine, but it at least seems feasible.
If the vaccine was killing people at anything like the rate suggestd by your source, it wouldn't be deniable, especially since those most at risk seem to be young men in their teens and early-mid 20's.
Tens of thousands of families don't lose a son in the prime of his life without there being uproar. You can't keep the lid on something like that.
Did you actually read the report? It's the same as VAERS, based on self-reports, which means it's based on the information provided by the health authorities who signed off on the death certificate. Here is the relevant bit...
The usefulness of the Yellow Card Scheme is that anyone can report their symptoms and the information can be provided quickly as it is based on notifications, meaning that people can provide information on a possible side effect as soon as it occurs.
(Continued...) Doctors are required by law to certify the cause of death ‘to the best of their knowledge and belief’. [...] For the vaccine to be mentioned on the death certificate the medical professional certifying the death must have believed, to the best of their knowledge, that the vaccine was part of the events that led to the death.
This is the exact same problem we have with VAERS, where some doctors have self-reported and others have not. Even the source you linked states....
This is the number of deaths reported as possibly linked to a vaccine, however they will not have been fully investigated at the time of reporting and a report is not proof of causation. So, the numbers are likely to be a big overestimate.
This brings rise to all manner of questions regarding accuracy of the numbers. What about doctors who are -- in cases in the U.S., -- not reporting AEs, SAEs, and deaths associated with the vaccines? What about deaths caused by the vaccine that are masked as another morbidity (i.e., organ failure)?
The problem is that the data is completely unreliable and dirty, and doesn't appear to offer much in the way of being able to dig into the veracity of the reports.
That's a begging the question fallacy.
Why wouldn't it be deniable? And WHERE would you get the official reports of these deaths if they're being masked by health authorities and the media?
Uproar from where? Where would you hear about it? If you post about deaths/SAEs related to the vaccines and they gain traction on social media the accounts are suspended.
More than 120,000 people reported SAEs in a Facebook group and Facebook had the group banned: https://reclaimthenet.org/facebook-removes-covid-19-vaccine-victims-group/
So this goes back to the question: where would you report SAEs/deaths that wouldn't be censored by Big Tech/media?
And it doesn't bother you that the FDA, DOD, CDC, and WHO are purposely withholding and prohibiting the tracking of SAEs/death rates by independent bodies?
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Or are you now going to tell me that the families of the tens of thousands of dead young men and boys just aren't upset enough to bother reporting what killed their sons?
Anyone can report the symptoms but they're only counting the deaths based on what the doctors certify as vaccine-related deaths. It literally says it right here...
The deaths registrations figures published by ONS show the official figures for when a death involved the COVID-19 vaccination, and when the vaccination was the underlying cause. This means it was recorded as such by a doctor or coroner. There is a time lag, for the reasons described here, so the most recent data relate to deaths registered up to the end of August 2021. This time lag should be borne in mind when using these figures.
EDIT: There's also the issue that not everyone (who is not in the medical profession) will know that the cause of death was entirely vaccine related, especially when -- as I mentioned -- there is masking involved.
You aslo keep ignoring the most important part that I keep asking, though, WHY aren't you more concerned with the fact that the health authorities are suppressing the actual death rates and why aren't you more concerned that independent bodies aren't allowed to track national SAEs/death rates?
That's 1645 UK citizens that died within roughly 1 day of the jab. It can take a week for the mRNA to diffuse from the muscle and into the bloodstream and longer for those protein printing instructions to hit peak output. That's when you get mysterious heart attacks and strokes. If you include these heart attacks and strokes, 150k US deaths doesn't seem unreasonable. That number may also be a projection assuming a higher adoption rate.
Overall the data is really hard to come by. And that this is the case should be super suspicious in and of itself.
They're all COVID deaths now.