Even the OG KiA people wanted full freedom of speech, with the stipulation that much was either off topic or bad faith actors.
I don't think that's true considering what HandOfBane and AoV have told me directly. They both think I'm an idiot who's allowed Nazis to take over this platform. They'd enjoy a purge.
The idea that anything negative about classes or groups is banned, except when it attacks whites, is ridiculous.
That is a ridiculous exaggeration. I know because "anything negative" is what I have to do on Reddit. I know the difference between my behavior here and on Reddit and it's fucking wildly different. If you don't remember how severe it is, look back at my comment history there for anything with "attack on an identity group" or " Long Rules: 3.j.ii". It's night and day.
Even on Reddit I occasionally get the rare anti-white statement, and most of the time it's sarcastic (but I'm not allowed to tolerate sarcasm on Reddit). There is almost never any genuine anti-white rhetoric I've seen on here. There's been no anti-male comments on here. The few anti-Christian comments are mostly ideological divisions between the atheists and the Christians.
meanwhile ordinary posters have to walk on egg shells on topics about race, gender, tribe, etc, is silly.
I don't think that's true considering what HandOfBane and AoV have told me directly.
Which is hilariously ironic considering the reason KiA2 came about was because the userbase disagreed with what the powerusers/mods wanted.
I think they'd be quite surprised at the outcome if opinions were polled.
That is a ridiculous exaggeration. I know because "anything negative" is what I have to do on Reddit.
It's an exaggeration, but not a ridiculous one. From my own experience, the experience of others, and from the mod logs, there's still a weird heavy handedness in regards to negative content.
I can accept that it's a difference in opinion on acceptable speech. I just heavily disagree and think it's unnecessary.
Again, not a thing here.
You've just said though that Impossible1 had to stifle his speech to fit the rules. I know I have, and others have told me they have as well.
I also know I've had a few longer, well written, well reasoned posts removed in the past. One reinstated after I changed terminology, but that's still ridiculous.
Here, let me even give you an example:
If I were to write something along the veins of "Black Americans are genetically predisposed to criminality, and here's why;" I would have to dot every i and cross every t to not get the message purged. It would still probably be purged.
I think they'd be quite surprised at the outcome if opinions were polled.
Considering most of GG was Left Libertarian, I think you are way off on the influence of any right-wing anything back in 2014 KiA.
From my own experience, the experience of others, and from the mod logs, there's still a weird heavy handedness in regards to negative content.
I saw that part of your conversation, and their opinion was that it was an issue with what was being reported, not heavy handedness.
And eggshells... please. Even my bannings are lenient. Again, in any other case, you and a dozen others would have been yeeted permanently months ago.
If I were to write something along the veins of "Black Americans are genetically predisposed to criminality, and here's why;" I would have to dot every i and cross every t to not get the message purged. It would still probably be purged.
No, it would be removed because you are asserting that a race of people is inherently inferior. There's no crossed T's and dotted I's. It just wouldn't fly at all.
I have never seen anyone (even that troll I just saw) say that Men, Whites, or Christians are an inherently, biologically, inferior degenerate race of lesser humans on KIA. Never.
I can't help the fact that you and others are making such comments in one and only one direction. You can't stand here and tell me that I'm being heavy handed to the one side that exists, and soft handed to the other side that doesn't. You get more leeway here than anywhere else online at this point. If you didn't, you'd already be gone.
I can't help the fact that you and others are making such comments in one and only one direction.
What are you talking about? I've said multiple times that I don't think it should be banned in either direction. I'm saying that from my perspective it looks like there's a stigma in the way it's handled that gives more leeway to anti-white posts than others. Pretty sure I even pointed this out a long time ago.
You get more leeway here than anywhere else online at this point. If you didn't, you'd already be gone.
I'm here because I genuinely like the community and there's often interesting conversations and topics. There's a few other places I sometimes frequent but the vibe isn't the same.
I mean I've only been here since GamerGate started.
Considering most of GG was Left Libertarian, I think you are way off on the influence of any right-wing anything back in 2014 KiA.
I'm not talking about 2014 lol
I'm talking about now.
Hell, we can even go back to the split that made KiA2 if you want. There'd probably be even higher support for full speech then than now.
I saw that part of your conversation
I'm talking about a lot more than that.
No, it would be removed because you are asserting that a race of people is inherently inferior. There's no crossed T's and dotted I's. It just wouldn't fly at all.
Exactly!
That's the point.
Certain discussions are entirely banned.
I have never seen anyone (even that troll I just saw) say that Men, Whites, or Christians are an inherently, biologically, inferior degenerate race of lesser humans on KIA.
You're right, it's just what is linked to for discussion.
AoV himself sometimes even linking such things multiple times a day.
My point between these last two points is that we are not able to even examine these ideas truthfully. We have to immediately disassociate and say it's bad.
I would be more than happy to debate a leftist who thinks whites are inferior because X. I welcome them to make that post. If it is done in good faith, though it almost certainly wouldn't be, it could be a good discussion.
On the corollary, I could get quite in depth as to how I feel on certain issues.
But those topics are banned, even when they're on topic to a larger issue.
And before you pull the, "BUT NO GROUP IS ALLOWED TO BE LABELED INFERIOR/WORSE/ETC" card, that's not what I said or was asking about.
"Black Americans are genetically predisposed to criminality, and here's why;"
I worded that very specifically to be useable as an entirely evidentiary or logical argument assigning neither negative nor positive connotations.
Genetics and influence on behavior is a fascinating topic that is allowed in very, very few places.
Genetics and behavior are not banned. The assertion that blacks are an inherently criminal race is. There's a fine distinction there you won't maintain because of ideology.
My point between these last two points is that we are not able to even examine these ideas truthfully. We have to immediately disassociate and say it's bad.
That's a lie, I never require you to disassociate anything.
Genetics and influence on behavior is a fascinating topic that is allowed in very, very few places.
If you wanted to have an argument about genetics and criminal behavior, you could. But we both know that's absolutely not your point. Your argument is political in nature, and specifically about racial inferiority.
I don't think that's true considering what HandOfBane and AoV have told me directly. They both think I'm an idiot who's allowed Nazis to take over this platform. They'd enjoy a purge.
That is a ridiculous exaggeration. I know because "anything negative" is what I have to do on Reddit. I know the difference between my behavior here and on Reddit and it's fucking wildly different. If you don't remember how severe it is, look back at my comment history there for anything with "attack on an identity group" or " Long Rules: 3.j.ii". It's night and day.
Even on Reddit I occasionally get the rare anti-white statement, and most of the time it's sarcastic (but I'm not allowed to tolerate sarcasm on Reddit). There is almost never any genuine anti-white rhetoric I've seen on here. There's been no anti-male comments on here. The few anti-Christian comments are mostly ideological divisions between the atheists and the Christians.
Again, not a thing here. Not even close.
Which is hilariously ironic considering the reason KiA2 came about was because the userbase disagreed with what the powerusers/mods wanted.
I think they'd be quite surprised at the outcome if opinions were polled.
It's an exaggeration, but not a ridiculous one. From my own experience, the experience of others, and from the mod logs, there's still a weird heavy handedness in regards to negative content.
I can accept that it's a difference in opinion on acceptable speech. I just heavily disagree and think it's unnecessary.
You've just said though that Impossible1 had to stifle his speech to fit the rules. I know I have, and others have told me they have as well.
I also know I've had a few longer, well written, well reasoned posts removed in the past. One reinstated after I changed terminology, but that's still ridiculous.
Here, let me even give you an example:
If I were to write something along the veins of "Black Americans are genetically predisposed to criminality, and here's why;" I would have to dot every i and cross every t to not get the message purged. It would still probably be purged.
Considering most of GG was Left Libertarian, I think you are way off on the influence of any right-wing anything back in 2014 KiA.
I saw that part of your conversation, and their opinion was that it was an issue with what was being reported, not heavy handedness.
And eggshells... please. Even my bannings are lenient. Again, in any other case, you and a dozen others would have been yeeted permanently months ago.
No, it would be removed because you are asserting that a race of people is inherently inferior. There's no crossed T's and dotted I's. It just wouldn't fly at all.
I have never seen anyone (even that troll I just saw) say that Men, Whites, or Christians are an inherently, biologically, inferior degenerate race of lesser humans on KIA. Never.
I can't help the fact that you and others are making such comments in one and only one direction. You can't stand here and tell me that I'm being heavy handed to the one side that exists, and soft handed to the other side that doesn't. You get more leeway here than anywhere else online at this point. If you didn't, you'd already be gone.
What are you talking about? I've said multiple times that I don't think it should be banned in either direction. I'm saying that from my perspective it looks like there's a stigma in the way it's handled that gives more leeway to anti-white posts than others. Pretty sure I even pointed this out a long time ago.
I'm here because I genuinely like the community and there's often interesting conversations and topics. There's a few other places I sometimes frequent but the vibe isn't the same.
I mean I've only been here since GamerGate started.
I'm not talking about 2014 lol
I'm talking about now.
Hell, we can even go back to the split that made KiA2 if you want. There'd probably be even higher support for full speech then than now.
I'm talking about a lot more than that.
Exactly!
That's the point.
Certain discussions are entirely banned.
You're right, it's just what is linked to for discussion.
AoV himself sometimes even linking such things multiple times a day.
My point between these last two points is that we are not able to even examine these ideas truthfully. We have to immediately disassociate and say it's bad.
I would be more than happy to debate a leftist who thinks whites are inferior because X. I welcome them to make that post. If it is done in good faith, though it almost certainly wouldn't be, it could be a good discussion.
On the corollary, I could get quite in depth as to how I feel on certain issues.
But those topics are banned, even when they're on topic to a larger issue.
And before you pull the, "BUT NO GROUP IS ALLOWED TO BE LABELED INFERIOR/WORSE/ETC" card, that's not what I said or was asking about.
I worded that very specifically to be useable as an entirely evidentiary or logical argument assigning neither negative nor positive connotations.
Genetics and influence on behavior is a fascinating topic that is allowed in very, very few places.
Genetics and behavior are not banned. The assertion that blacks are an inherently criminal race is. There's a fine distinction there you won't maintain because of ideology.
That's a lie, I never require you to disassociate anything.
If you wanted to have an argument about genetics and criminal behavior, you could. But we both know that's absolutely not your point. Your argument is political in nature, and specifically about racial inferiority.