The main response I have to the "men should have no say" is if that's the case then men should also be able to abort any responsibility for the child during the same period. No questions asked and no loopholes. Fill out a form and file it somewhere that the man aborts the kid and it no longer exists to them in any way.
I think any sort of abortion is a super scummy way to deal with it, but if we're going to talk down the road of men should have zero say then it has to be two sided.
Yeah, surprisingly, I think i agree with you, there...
Especially having had a girlfriend, when I was quite young, who insisted that if, by chance, she got pregnant, she would be carrying the child to term, and I would be equally responsible for it, for life...
I've had those conversations. I now know better, and have pretty much come to the same conclusion as what you outlined, there...
But I also think the "Don't have kids, the world is fucked/dying" argument is fundamentally, uhh, insane, so... There's that, too.
While I think abortion is scummy and wrong, I'm also not of the stance that government should only be built around my beliefs. I'd accept a compromise that included abortion to be allowed early term, which is what the Texas law is, it's not a ban. Compromise is give and take, if I'm to give them a few weeks of abortion, I need something in return. Granted the bad part is the abortionists are in a position of strength in that in most places it's already allowed, so there's that to deal with too.
Not that a compromise has ever been offered. I don't really trust that to end the discussion either. They'd take the compromise then still want the rest.
Completely agree. Onus falls on women. As long as there's a safe, affordable means to get an abortion then the man should absolutely have the option to abort all responsibility.
Not that I've used that argument a ton, but I have before. This is the first positive response I've seen from an abortionist. The typical response is something starting with "You men..." and ending with something feminist or about men taking responsibility.
I find that difficult to believe due to how self-evident it seems but if that's your experience...
After my abortion I immediately had both tubes entirely removed. Wish I'd done that when I first started fucking at 19. Battling my fertility all these years has been a bizz-snatch 😊
To be fair I don't go out seeking abortion debate and never really have. The last time before this Texas law would have been on Reddit a couple years ago.
The main response I have to the "men should have no say" is if that's the case then men should also be able to abort any responsibility for the child during the same period. No questions asked and no loopholes. Fill out a form and file it somewhere that the man aborts the kid and it no longer exists to them in any way.
I think any sort of abortion is a super scummy way to deal with it, but if we're going to talk down the road of men should have zero say then it has to be two sided.
Yeah, surprisingly, I think i agree with you, there...
Especially having had a girlfriend, when I was quite young, who insisted that if, by chance, she got pregnant, she would be carrying the child to term, and I would be equally responsible for it, for life...
I've had those conversations. I now know better, and have pretty much come to the same conclusion as what you outlined, there...
But I also think the "Don't have kids, the world is fucked/dying" argument is fundamentally, uhh, insane, so... There's that, too.
While I think abortion is scummy and wrong, I'm also not of the stance that government should only be built around my beliefs. I'd accept a compromise that included abortion to be allowed early term, which is what the Texas law is, it's not a ban. Compromise is give and take, if I'm to give them a few weeks of abortion, I need something in return. Granted the bad part is the abortionists are in a position of strength in that in most places it's already allowed, so there's that to deal with too.
Not that a compromise has ever been offered. I don't really trust that to end the discussion either. They'd take the compromise then still want the rest.
Completely agree. Onus falls on women. As long as there's a safe, affordable means to get an abortion then the man should absolutely have the option to abort all responsibility.
Not that I've used that argument a ton, but I have before. This is the first positive response I've seen from an abortionist. The typical response is something starting with "You men..." and ending with something feminist or about men taking responsibility.
I find that difficult to believe due to how self-evident it seems but if that's your experience...
After my abortion I immediately had both tubes entirely removed. Wish I'd done that when I first started fucking at 19. Battling my fertility all these years has been a bizz-snatch 😊
Don't take this the wrong way, but you're a ghoul.
To be fair I don't go out seeking abortion debate and never really have. The last time before this Texas law would have been on Reddit a couple years ago.