The wokeness is almost entirely localized around the protagonist's raceswapped radleft girlfriend, who is so thoroughly unlikeable that she crosses over into "L3-37 in Solo" territory and accidentally becomes satirical.
The protagonist's best friend is a flamboyant gay dude, but he wasn't overly political and actually didn't bother me too much.
The show starts off with a gigantic bang and then kinda waddles along until the finale picks back up again. The wokeness wasn't unbearable, but that's how it usually goes with first seasons these days. Savvy producers know they can't dial up the Cultural Marxism until the audience is invested, which is exactly what happened with The Boys and Umbrella Academy. Invincible could easily follow suit.
It WILL follow suit. Anyone stupid enough to see the signs of race-swapping, gay-inclusion and then think "Nah, they'll stop here. Everything is fine." deserves to have their lives destroyed by Leftists.
Hmm kinda, the original comic run of Invincible predates woke nonsense by a few years, so at it's core it's Not Woke. It does however have SJW window dressing, like race swapping characters.
You can think of it as a gory superhero show, where Superman is actually from a somewhat psychotic race (Not really, but their powers turn them into raging assholes, quite literally). It's fun, and has tolerable levels of wokeness (from what I've seen, 2 episodes in).
It's... close to being ok. A big thing is that every couple is race mixed, like they took the MC's original girlfriend and expanded her role and made her black, the MC is half asian and half alien that looks white. The real best character isn't human, but looks white.
Nolan, aka Omni Man, is from a genocidal race that due to a disease, he's one of 50 pure blooded (Let's just call them Sayans) left. The Sayans spread across the galaxy, interbreed with populations, and conquer. When Nolan is with his son, he's legitimately a loving father. Rough at times, like his idea of training involves punching him because "Bad guys aren't going to go gentle on you, that was just a love tap", but he legitimately cares. Nolan is, from humanity's point of view, legitimately evil, dude wiped out the Justice League (that was race and gender swapped from their original Invincible iterations, White Batman and male Green Lantern became black Batman and female Green Lantern. Nolan gets outed because he's cocky as hell (throws the evidence in the garbage) and has his plans rushed to hell so he basically just is left to yell at his son that it's time to wipe out humans (and shove his face into a train. His son's face wins that fight.)
A quick glance at what's coming, Nolan and Invincible reconcile in the comic. MC legitimately forgives his father for using his face as a battering ram to gore a hundred people, and the father becomes a good guy eventually, which is a shockingly deep look at forgiveness and stuff like that. If the show is going to follow that path, no idea.
Kinda funny how comics movies are following the same trajectory as the actual comics, just faster. Started out kinda goofy with relatively light or nonsensical plots (the Superman movies, early Captain America movies, Supergirl movie) then starting to get (mostly) more and more serious (the Batman movies going into the Blade trilogy). After that you have the more serious movies, without the overly heavy themes or edge that will start later (the Raimi Spider-man trilogy and the X-men trilogy). Next the movies wanting to be relatively realistic (Nolan Batman trilogy, beginning of the MCU). After that is the era of constant big events and crossovers (MCU and DCEU). And now We're in the middle of the "everything is subversive and edgy trying to be Watchmen or TDKR" mixed with/heading into the modern era of "representation and diversity first, virtue signaling second, everything else optional".
Just thinking about how the new popular superhero stuff is "what if superheros.... were shitty people?" made me realize the general trend of the movies went from goofy, to serious, to everything being connected for big crossover events, and now it's all going to be subversions and woke representation. Basically going through the Golden era, Silver era, Bronze era, and Modern era in less than half the time it took the American comics scene.
That's a fantastic breakdown and wonderful insight into what's happening.
I see it, but I didn't think of it that way.
The only saving grace is that SOME people are waking up to the subversion, and thankfully SOME people are recoiling at all the degenerate bullcrap. The problem, however, is that it's only SOME people and not MAJORITY of people.
So we're stuck with a bunch of normies still being brainwashed and some of them willingly accepting the indoctrination. On the upside, hopefully we see massive declines in revenue at the box office from this kind of nonsense (I really, really, REALLY hope Muslims make the biggest fuss about the gay Muslim in The Eternals because that would really make my day if heads rolled due to the disgusting portrayal of a black and Muslim gay couple sharing an on-screen kiss with one another).
Its another "Superman but Evil" adaptation that doesn't even have the dignity of being kinda interesting like Irredeemable was.
There is a reason why people only talk about the action scenes (and the one memeset from one), because its "muh edgy capeshit for adults". Its completely forgettable outside those over the top gorefests.
A MASSIVE, MASSIVE problem is that the show was written in 2003. Back then, comic book edge was confined to Watchmen (which was just some 30 year old comic book), and a few comics that had no hope of ever being made into mainstream media like the Bane arc or Killing Joke. The movies being made were X Men, Spider Man, a reboot of Superman, and the most recent Batman flick was either the animated series or & Robin.
Nowadays, the idea of a subversive series is old as shit: The Last Jedi ruined an entire word as did Among Us. Edgy flicks are all the rage. "Superhero... bad?" Is cliche. The MCU made a hundred billion dollars and is now on a rapid decline. Sure you'll see a few more super hero movies, Mildly Successful Man 3, Obscure Man, Spinoff of Hero Team, Reboot Man, Girl Team, Minority Squad, but all of the A, B, C, and D listers are all basically done. So releasing a series of "Man what if super heros bad?" Is soooo fucking passe to do after End game. Hell, Amazon already has The Boys Season 2, so to release Anime The Boys Season 1 is such a cash grab.
The best time for Invincible to be released was 2003. The second best time was 2014.
Calling Irredeemable kinda interesting. You must be feeling generous today! That comic was awful, Incorruptible too, or whatever the flipside was called. Mark Waid hasn't done anything good outside of Kingdom Come and I wish he'd just fall off a cliff already. I never knew what Invicincible was about, would just follow the artist years back and liked his work. If it is more what if superman like stuff then I don't know if it's worth trying the omnibus anymore. Superhero comics used to be so great and inspiring but seem a wasteland now. At least some of the movies are great still.
I enjoyed the character of the Plutonian, and since his actions drive the entire story, it made the fact that everyone else was meh to awful a lot easier.
Its the same with Brightburn, the movie, where everyone is pretty forgettable but Brandon was interesting to watch.
An extremely solid antagonist makes a lot of works enjoyable.
Yeah but its generically gory. Like, it feels like a Rick and Morty joke. Ironically their "superheroes kill each other violently" scene felt less humorous.
So instead of feeling horrifying, or palpable, or whatever gore-filled violence is supposed to do, it feels like a fucking cartoon doing slapstick and being gross rather than intended.
I get what you are saying and its valid, but in the Western Animation sphere nearly every single "for adults" is incredibly gory and/or gross. Its such a common thing that new shows like Hoops and Paradise PD are criticized for being generic over it.
A decade ago you'd be 200% on the mark, but Adult Swim opened the doors on every shit service having Adult Cartoons available. Shit Rick and Morty is so huge its basically mainstream.
Sounds like they forgot 90s animate Spawn, though maybe that wasn't too violent. It seems Western audiences only have enough interest for one such show ever decade and it gets popular just for the novelty of it indeed.
The wokeness is almost entirely localized around the protagonist's raceswapped radleft girlfriend, who is so thoroughly unlikeable that she crosses over into "L3-37 in Solo" territory and accidentally becomes satirical.
The protagonist's best friend is a flamboyant gay dude, but he wasn't overly political and actually didn't bother me too much.
The show starts off with a gigantic bang and then kinda waddles along until the finale picks back up again. The wokeness wasn't unbearable, but that's how it usually goes with first seasons these days. Savvy producers know they can't dial up the Cultural Marxism until the audience is invested, which is exactly what happened with The Boys and Umbrella Academy. Invincible could easily follow suit.
It WILL follow suit. Anyone stupid enough to see the signs of race-swapping, gay-inclusion and then think "Nah, they'll stop here. Everything is fine." deserves to have their lives destroyed by Leftists.
Hmm kinda, the original comic run of Invincible predates woke nonsense by a few years, so at it's core it's Not Woke. It does however have SJW window dressing, like race swapping characters.
You can think of it as a gory superhero show, where Superman is actually from a somewhat psychotic race (Not really, but their powers turn them into raging assholes, quite literally). It's fun, and has tolerable levels of wokeness (from what I've seen, 2 episodes in).
It's... close to being ok. A big thing is that every couple is race mixed, like they took the MC's original girlfriend and expanded her role and made her black, the MC is half asian and half alien that looks white. The real best character isn't human, but looks white.
Nolan, aka Omni Man, is from a genocidal race that due to a disease, he's one of 50 pure blooded (Let's just call them Sayans) left. The Sayans spread across the galaxy, interbreed with populations, and conquer. When Nolan is with his son, he's legitimately a loving father. Rough at times, like his idea of training involves punching him because "Bad guys aren't going to go gentle on you, that was just a love tap", but he legitimately cares. Nolan is, from humanity's point of view, legitimately evil, dude wiped out the Justice League (that was race and gender swapped from their original Invincible iterations, White Batman and male Green Lantern became black Batman and female Green Lantern. Nolan gets outed because he's cocky as hell (throws the evidence in the garbage) and has his plans rushed to hell so he basically just is left to yell at his son that it's time to wipe out humans (and shove his face into a train. His son's face wins that fight.)
A quick glance at what's coming, Nolan and Invincible reconcile in the comic. MC legitimately forgives his father for using his face as a battering ram to gore a hundred people, and the father becomes a good guy eventually, which is a shockingly deep look at forgiveness and stuff like that. If the show is going to follow that path, no idea.
Kinda funny how comics movies are following the same trajectory as the actual comics, just faster. Started out kinda goofy with relatively light or nonsensical plots (the Superman movies, early Captain America movies, Supergirl movie) then starting to get (mostly) more and more serious (the Batman movies going into the Blade trilogy). After that you have the more serious movies, without the overly heavy themes or edge that will start later (the Raimi Spider-man trilogy and the X-men trilogy). Next the movies wanting to be relatively realistic (Nolan Batman trilogy, beginning of the MCU). After that is the era of constant big events and crossovers (MCU and DCEU). And now We're in the middle of the "everything is subversive and edgy trying to be Watchmen or TDKR" mixed with/heading into the modern era of "representation and diversity first, virtue signaling second, everything else optional".
Just thinking about how the new popular superhero stuff is "what if superheros.... were shitty people?" made me realize the general trend of the movies went from goofy, to serious, to everything being connected for big crossover events, and now it's all going to be subversions and woke representation. Basically going through the Golden era, Silver era, Bronze era, and Modern era in less than half the time it took the American comics scene.
That's a fantastic breakdown and wonderful insight into what's happening.
I see it, but I didn't think of it that way.
The only saving grace is that SOME people are waking up to the subversion, and thankfully SOME people are recoiling at all the degenerate bullcrap. The problem, however, is that it's only SOME people and not MAJORITY of people.
So we're stuck with a bunch of normies still being brainwashed and some of them willingly accepting the indoctrination. On the upside, hopefully we see massive declines in revenue at the box office from this kind of nonsense (I really, really, REALLY hope Muslims make the biggest fuss about the gay Muslim in The Eternals because that would really make my day if heads rolled due to the disgusting portrayal of a black and Muslim gay couple sharing an on-screen kiss with one another).
Its another "Superman but Evil" adaptation that doesn't even have the dignity of being kinda interesting like Irredeemable was.
There is a reason why people only talk about the action scenes (and the one memeset from one), because its "muh edgy capeshit for adults". Its completely forgettable outside those over the top gorefests.
Subversion in media sort of loses its luster when it's happening all around you.
And when its so normal that a played straight heroic, hopeful story would be more rare.
You know, that thing we could probably use to reinvigorate our spirits a little.
When will lefties be the bad guys.
Stock 80's le Russian Commie (that doesn't even do collectivism) doesn't count
There's the Batman villain Anarky. Beyond the comics, he made a few appearances on Beware the Batman.
A MASSIVE, MASSIVE problem is that the show was written in 2003. Back then, comic book edge was confined to Watchmen (which was just some 30 year old comic book), and a few comics that had no hope of ever being made into mainstream media like the Bane arc or Killing Joke. The movies being made were X Men, Spider Man, a reboot of Superman, and the most recent Batman flick was either the animated series or & Robin.
Nowadays, the idea of a subversive series is old as shit: The Last Jedi ruined an entire word as did Among Us. Edgy flicks are all the rage. "Superhero... bad?" Is cliche. The MCU made a hundred billion dollars and is now on a rapid decline. Sure you'll see a few more super hero movies, Mildly Successful Man 3, Obscure Man, Spinoff of Hero Team, Reboot Man, Girl Team, Minority Squad, but all of the A, B, C, and D listers are all basically done. So releasing a series of "Man what if super heros bad?" Is soooo fucking passe to do after End game. Hell, Amazon already has The Boys Season 2, so to release Anime The Boys Season 1 is such a cash grab.
The best time for Invincible to be released was 2003. The second best time was 2014.
Calling Irredeemable kinda interesting. You must be feeling generous today! That comic was awful, Incorruptible too, or whatever the flipside was called. Mark Waid hasn't done anything good outside of Kingdom Come and I wish he'd just fall off a cliff already. I never knew what Invicincible was about, would just follow the artist years back and liked his work. If it is more what if superman like stuff then I don't know if it's worth trying the omnibus anymore. Superhero comics used to be so great and inspiring but seem a wasteland now. At least some of the movies are great still.
I enjoyed the character of the Plutonian, and since his actions drive the entire story, it made the fact that everyone else was meh to awful a lot easier.
Its the same with Brightburn, the movie, where everyone is pretty forgettable but Brandon was interesting to watch.
An extremely solid antagonist makes a lot of works enjoyable.
Yeah but its generically gory. Like, it feels like a Rick and Morty joke. Ironically their "superheroes kill each other violently" scene felt less humorous.
So instead of feeling horrifying, or palpable, or whatever gore-filled violence is supposed to do, it feels like a fucking cartoon doing slapstick and being gross rather than intended.
I get what you are saying and its valid, but in the Western Animation sphere nearly every single "for adults" is incredibly gory and/or gross. Its such a common thing that new shows like Hoops and Paradise PD are criticized for being generic over it.
A decade ago you'd be 200% on the mark, but Adult Swim opened the doors on every shit service having Adult Cartoons available. Shit Rick and Morty is so huge its basically mainstream.
Sounds like they forgot 90s animate Spawn, though maybe that wasn't too violent. It seems Western audiences only have enough interest for one such show ever decade and it gets popular just for the novelty of it indeed.
Yes.
I gave up when in the first few minutes they introduced the gay charactor. fuck that faggot shit.