Are they wrong though? That post is pretty on the mark from my experience.
Any alternative to reddit becomes full of edgelords and LARPers who push everyone away and the rapidly declining userbase becomes a circlejerk of tards.
Look at consoomproduct/win, it's just 'The Jews' and 'I hate women'. This place is largely the same as well. There were more rational people on KiA2 but not so much now.
It's easy to tell it's LARPers because the only threads are edgelord posts and memes. Any post about not consooming is dead. Any post about lifting, gardening, or doing literally anything productive, is dead. The only threads like that that get replies are reading threads, and it's always the same people trying to tell each other that they're reading shit like Ayn Rand. Which again, it's easy to tell they're not because they bring up the same books every time, no one finishes a book, and they don't actually talk about what they like/dislike. They just say they're reading it and then that thread dies too. No one wants to admit they're reading shit like Tom Clancy or Clive Cussler, if they're reading anything at all.
It's the same when anything is created that promotes free speech. It's immediately filled with child porn. Then argument breaks out about how it doesn't count because they're just cartoons. Regardless of your stance, it is considered child porn depending on what country you're in. These people are expecting the site owners/admin to facilitate illegal activity and risk jail time because they can't just jack off to normal porn.
Same when they cried about Parler giving information to the FBI. Like it was a surprise. No shit they give information to the FBI, illegal activity is still illegal. Parler isn't offering to be your host of terrorism and shit. "Don't worry bros, I'll go to prison on your behalf, you go shoot up a government building... IN MINECRAFT LOL".
And I'm talking actual terrorism, not shit like a woman recieving jail time for saying the Jews need to get over the Holocaust or people protesting a clearly rigged election.
I digress, but these sites end up becoming the same as Reddit. The extreme userbase drives normal people and actual discussion away. If people wanted actual discussion the site wouldn't even have an upvote/downvote system that allows people to 'disagree' without adding anything. Or discourages discussion because people are scared of being downvoted. "I'm not scared lol" Psychologically you're influenced by the voting system, once a few votes either way have passed, the rest will follow. This is how the front page of reddit is controlled.
I hate SJWs as much as the next guy, but these sites have a problem, and that problem is that the userbase makes them unsuable for everyday people. And as much as you say you don't want normies, normies are what keeps social media going. You need them. The only difference was that these sites were supposed to have mods weren't SJW control freaks. But the userbase just shits all over it by being spergs incapable of forming one intelligent thought between them. And said spergs either attack or ignore anyone that isn't also a sperg.
But then modern 4chan is the same. Any attempt at discussion is met with seethe, tranny, dilate, shill, filtered, or people just start posting porn and hijack the thread. It's boring, it's tiring to see over and over, and these sites will die because the people who use it can't get their shit together. These people hate self improvement as much as SJWs and they are too focused on being victims, the same as SJWs.
What's worse is that from what I've seen of age discussion, it's not even kids. It's people in their late 20s-mid 30s who just never grew up.
Any alternative to reddit becomes full of edgelords and LARPers
Because anyone softer doesn't need an alternative. They could just stay on reddit because a small amount of self-censoring will suffice.
KIA1 on reddit is a "true/good liberal" shithole, while KIA2 was founded mostly on the backs of people banned from KIA1 for being too extreme or having bad opinions. And then any of our "softer" people on KIA2 either aren't committed enough to join a whole different website, or just moved on because it wasn't a deeply held fight for them.
These people are expecting the site owners/admin to facilitate illegal activity and risk jail time because they can't just jack off to normal porn.
No, most people expect them to not be morally hypocritical about it. If it was entirely legal based, they would say that. Instead they often use it as a position to soapbox about how everyone is a pedo or that all porn is evil. Most people would understand the rock/hard place problem of it, instead they turn it into a "my principles only count until its what I dislike."
These are true problems, I won't disagree. But these are problems because most people sat on their asses and let it progress so far that you have to share your space with a Nazi and borderline criminal to even speak. To pretend there is some mystical compromise where "we keep out the riffraff so the normies will flock in!" is pure utopian fallacy.
We lost this "culture war" numerous times over already. This is the consequence of that.
Sure, normies are what keeps social media going. They're also why anyone with two neurons to rub together fucking hates social media, because normies turn them into... well just go look at any social media. Facebook, or le peddit's front page, would be shit even without all the pedo tranny jannies powertripping and calling anyone who isn't one of them a nazi, I mean have you ever been to r/funny, or r/atheism, or literally any facebook page? It's not just the internet janitors that make these subs horrendous, most of the blame is solely on the users themselves.
If I wanted to share a forum with my grandma, I'd be on Facebook. I suggest you do exactly that if that's what you're looking for.
In the meantime, there's a certain discussion board about agriculture in New Zealand which is booming in both user count and amount of content, much of it excellent quality, without cucking to any corporations. The forum and its users are completely unrepentant and the owner has zero chance of making it "the next big thing" and selling it to a corporation, because no investor would ever touch it due to its reputation - and it's much better than any mainstream website, precisely because of this. Anyone new either understands what the community is about and fits in, or gets chased out and possibly doxed. It's the anti-normie forum and it's great.
There are more, lesser known ones like that. What they all have in common is that they don't apologize, they don't grovel, and the people running them aren't interested in making a ton of money by normiefying them.
This isn't something unique to internet forums and social networks, either. Remember the endless amazing tiny game studios that just did their thing and made games they wanted to make, and they were amazing? Remember when they got bought by megacorps and turned into shit? Remember when every PC gamer waited with bated breath for the next Blizzard game?
Look at consoomproduct/win, it's just 'The Jews' and 'I hate women'. This place is largely the same as well. There were more rational people on KiA2 but not so much now.
The rational people are all on the subreddit.
As for ConsoomProduct - it was always full of retards, even when it was on Reddit. Without fail, any time I had to ban someone for anti-Jewish nonsense on KiA2, he had a history on ConsumeProduct. I have no idea why, because it does not seem like it should have anything to do with the Jeeeeews.
Are they wrong though? That post is pretty on the mark from my experience. Any alternative to reddit becomes full of edgelords and LARPers who push everyone away and the rapidly declining userbase becomes a circlejerk of tards.
Look at consoomproduct/win, it's just 'The Jews' and 'I hate women'. This place is largely the same as well. There were more rational people on KiA2 but not so much now. It's easy to tell it's LARPers because the only threads are edgelord posts and memes. Any post about not consooming is dead. Any post about lifting, gardening, or doing literally anything productive, is dead. The only threads like that that get replies are reading threads, and it's always the same people trying to tell each other that they're reading shit like Ayn Rand. Which again, it's easy to tell they're not because they bring up the same books every time, no one finishes a book, and they don't actually talk about what they like/dislike. They just say they're reading it and then that thread dies too. No one wants to admit they're reading shit like Tom Clancy or Clive Cussler, if they're reading anything at all.
It's the same when anything is created that promotes free speech. It's immediately filled with child porn. Then argument breaks out about how it doesn't count because they're just cartoons. Regardless of your stance, it is considered child porn depending on what country you're in. These people are expecting the site owners/admin to facilitate illegal activity and risk jail time because they can't just jack off to normal porn.
Same when they cried about Parler giving information to the FBI. Like it was a surprise. No shit they give information to the FBI, illegal activity is still illegal. Parler isn't offering to be your host of terrorism and shit. "Don't worry bros, I'll go to prison on your behalf, you go shoot up a government building... IN MINECRAFT LOL". And I'm talking actual terrorism, not shit like a woman recieving jail time for saying the Jews need to get over the Holocaust or people protesting a clearly rigged election.
I digress, but these sites end up becoming the same as Reddit. The extreme userbase drives normal people and actual discussion away. If people wanted actual discussion the site wouldn't even have an upvote/downvote system that allows people to 'disagree' without adding anything. Or discourages discussion because people are scared of being downvoted. "I'm not scared lol" Psychologically you're influenced by the voting system, once a few votes either way have passed, the rest will follow. This is how the front page of reddit is controlled.
I hate SJWs as much as the next guy, but these sites have a problem, and that problem is that the userbase makes them unsuable for everyday people. And as much as you say you don't want normies, normies are what keeps social media going. You need them. The only difference was that these sites were supposed to have mods weren't SJW control freaks. But the userbase just shits all over it by being spergs incapable of forming one intelligent thought between them. And said spergs either attack or ignore anyone that isn't also a sperg.
But then modern 4chan is the same. Any attempt at discussion is met with seethe, tranny, dilate, shill, filtered, or people just start posting porn and hijack the thread. It's boring, it's tiring to see over and over, and these sites will die because the people who use it can't get their shit together. These people hate self improvement as much as SJWs and they are too focused on being victims, the same as SJWs.
What's worse is that from what I've seen of age discussion, it's not even kids. It's people in their late 20s-mid 30s who just never grew up.
Because anyone softer doesn't need an alternative. They could just stay on reddit because a small amount of self-censoring will suffice.
KIA1 on reddit is a "true/good liberal" shithole, while KIA2 was founded mostly on the backs of people banned from KIA1 for being too extreme or having bad opinions. And then any of our "softer" people on KIA2 either aren't committed enough to join a whole different website, or just moved on because it wasn't a deeply held fight for them.
No, most people expect them to not be morally hypocritical about it. If it was entirely legal based, they would say that. Instead they often use it as a position to soapbox about how everyone is a pedo or that all porn is evil. Most people would understand the rock/hard place problem of it, instead they turn it into a "my principles only count until its what I dislike."
These are true problems, I won't disagree. But these are problems because most people sat on their asses and let it progress so far that you have to share your space with a Nazi and borderline criminal to even speak. To pretend there is some mystical compromise where "we keep out the riffraff so the normies will flock in!" is pure utopian fallacy.
We lost this "culture war" numerous times over already. This is the consequence of that.
Sure, normies are what keeps social media going. They're also why anyone with two neurons to rub together fucking hates social media, because normies turn them into... well just go look at any social media. Facebook, or le peddit's front page, would be shit even without all the pedo tranny jannies powertripping and calling anyone who isn't one of them a nazi, I mean have you ever been to r/funny, or r/atheism, or literally any facebook page? It's not just the internet janitors that make these subs horrendous, most of the blame is solely on the users themselves.
If I wanted to share a forum with my grandma, I'd be on Facebook. I suggest you do exactly that if that's what you're looking for.
In the meantime, there's a certain discussion board about agriculture in New Zealand which is booming in both user count and amount of content, much of it excellent quality, without cucking to any corporations. The forum and its users are completely unrepentant and the owner has zero chance of making it "the next big thing" and selling it to a corporation, because no investor would ever touch it due to its reputation - and it's much better than any mainstream website, precisely because of this. Anyone new either understands what the community is about and fits in, or gets chased out and possibly doxed. It's the anti-normie forum and it's great.
There are more, lesser known ones like that. What they all have in common is that they don't apologize, they don't grovel, and the people running them aren't interested in making a ton of money by normiefying them.
This isn't something unique to internet forums and social networks, either. Remember the endless amazing tiny game studios that just did their thing and made games they wanted to make, and they were amazing? Remember when they got bought by megacorps and turned into shit? Remember when every PC gamer waited with bated breath for the next Blizzard game?
TL;DR
Anyone who is still a "normie" at this point is an NPC.
Sorry grandma is programmed by MSM.
The rational people are all on the subreddit.
As for ConsoomProduct - it was always full of retards, even when it was on Reddit. Without fail, any time I had to ban someone for anti-Jewish nonsense on KiA2, he had a history on ConsumeProduct. I have no idea why, because it does not seem like it should have anything to do with the Jeeeeews.
For saying there was no Holocaust to get over. "She asserted that the gas chambers were not 'homicidal,' but used 'to save lives from typhus epidemics'."