About nine months ago this lifeboat came into existence following massive purges by Reddit admins against non-establishment conforming materials. Those purges never ended, which is why this particular forum has become the overall bastion for KIA2/GG materials.
On the creation of this site we were presented a set of 16 rules which we, the users, were questioned about. Overwhelming we found that the rules were overbearing and redundant.
Many of these rules are redundant, unnecessary, or bad.
The most obvious of which is that there are THREE rules covering NSFW/pornographic material. It was pointed out by myself as well as numerous other users that these were redundant and pointless, and the assumption was that these would be changed as the rules were simply temporary.
It's nine months on.
Those are only the most egregiously obvious.
The reason I make this post today is that our rules are so open-ended and confusing that even our illustrious mods have no idea WTF they mean.
I was personally banned for a day for a rule 15 violation after which u/DomitiusOfMassilia/ admitted he misunderstood what the rule meant. Immediately after I watched him make the same mistake with another. Now, a week after, I notice that the majority of action is taken under rules 2, 15, and 16. Almost all content removals are based on slurs/bad language/insults.
This post is largely upvoted while Dom's statement of removal is largely downvoted. That's just one example. This is becoming far too common. Please do not make the same mistakes that murdered KIA1.
Note that I am not calling out Dom specifically. I think the rules themselves are dogshit tier and must be fixed. I like this community, even if I do think you're a bunch of faggots. And goddamnit u/TheImpossible1 there's no women involved here so kindly fuck off.
Can we please have a serious discussion about our rules and the impacts that they have, and FIX THEM? We do not need SIXTEEN RULES, especially when it's clear not even our mods understand them all.
Now Killroy, I think you are being fairly disingenuous about what you're actually attempting to do here. You want to end rule 16 because you want to rant about the Jews controlling everything, and hopefully using this forum as base for alt-right activity.
No, I'm not letting you do that.
Firstly, because I know that it is going to scare away normies, and if we want to survive we need to grow. Without Reddit's search engines, I have to construct an authentic decentralized system to attract attention from outside the .win network in order for more people to use this place as a communicable hub. Normies don't want to hear you rant about a Jewish conspiracy to keep them down because they a) don't believe it, b) don't have any experience that would agree with that, c) it makes you sound absolutely crazy, d) it's resentful and rageful that a lot of normies don't want to get emotionally invested in.
This is why places like Voat died. Well, in addition to a few others:
Secondly, it makes it super easy to commit false flag comments and glow posts that can be weaponized against us as well as .win. It's the 2nd biggest avenue of attack that I could open for the Left. The biggest being porn. I wouldn't care if people posted porn, but I know with 100% certainty that Leftists would come here and post really nasty shit, then report their own posts. The Leftists were pushing false flag, blatant, and unhinged racism to give the John Birch Society a bad name in the 1950's and their still doing it today with Hoax Hate crimes. I'd even be okay with some of the stuff I remove for rule 2 violations if I weren't 100% sure that glowposts would abound.
Third, I consider racialism to be Leftist generally. To the point that I consider your racialism about as actively subversive and dangerous as active communist activity in the forum. I look at it in the same way that I would look at a BLM activist screeching about how this sub can't be a place for black inclusion until we end our innate whiteness and abandon capitalism.
Which also informs my bias assumption that you are being disingenuous with your post, and particularly the objective of bringing 'reform' to the rules. I think you know good and well that if I start making the rules more general and vague, I'll have to start policing subjectively, which will both undermine my own position (and create demands for my removal as mod which you can exploit), and guarantee that users will see rules as weapons to be enforced by their particular ideological faction within the sub. That way, the moderators can use force to craft the sub into something more appealing to their particular faction. After generating enough objections from my subjective enforcement, you should be able to garner enough support to remove most of the rules, and replace (or add) moderators with people more ideologically aligned with your faction. After having removed most of the rules, you will be able to use moderator power to purge users and crush dissent to form a more ideologically homogeneous userbase that you hope you can use for your own purposes.
This, of course, destroys the forum.
Now, as you're reading this and saying: "Dom, you're a paranoid conspiracy theorist."
But remember:
I think of you as a Leftist. What would you expect a subversive communist to do? The same shit for the same reasons.
To be honest, you're much better off parasitizing any successful growth the sub has for political purposes, rather than controlling it outright.
So this isn't a place for free speech and we should be looking elsewhere? I thought the reason we were here instead of on Reddit is so that we don't have to censor things. But you're willing to just do it anyway.
Porn's just too risky.
Personally I'm fine with that not being here, but that's not what this discussion is about.
What would you like to be the standard for removals? There's always illegal stuff that has to be removed. There's also some non-illegal stuff that does have to be removed, like spam.
This place is about Gamergate. It's not "Jews are evil", nor is it about any other petty agenda that someone may want to advance.
The sub has evolved past just being about Gamergate to politics in general, which I think is good. But that is naturally going to lead to people discussing conspiracies. Picking and choosing what opinions you think are valid or not isn't a good moderation strategy unless you want this place to end up like Reddit. Saying X conspiracy is not allowed to be discussed sets precedent and is a slippery slope to banning more discussions.
Any resistance to Social Justice is Gamergate.
I did not want that, because politics are a distraction. I'd much rather fix the culture, and politics will take care of itself, as it is downstream from culture.
That said, the rule against unrelated politics on r/Kia2 was never unsuspended, because it seemed to me that this was not what the users wanted. You could argue that IDPol has infected politics to such an extent that it has become very relevant.
Where exactly did you get that discussion of conspiracies was going to be banned? That is quite different from becoming another /r/conspiracy though.
They had a very limited definition of what "Gamergate" is, removing anti-SJW stuff as well.
I am pretty confident in saying that Gamergate was not about "gas the kikes".
I'm a bit busy still with Easter stuff so I'll write a couple more in-depth responses later.
I want to respond to this a bit though.
That's not at all what I'm doing.
There are two parts to this:
It is instead much better to have fewer, more consolidated rules and attach examples and a statement of intent to each. Similar to certain methods of legal documentation.
I also will talk and debate about many other topics and ideas. I believe I've been quite thorough in my discussions on the tranny issue, for example.
What I am concerned about is using the rules as an outright blanket banning of certain discussions or ideas. The original intent of those rule, as discussed, was to prevent low-effort hate posts, while still allowing discussion of said "non-pc" topics.
I'm sure we can both agree that these rules have been targeted against issues such as global judaism, black criminality, LGBT issues, and others.
I am concerned with what I've seen in that the tangent we're now following will give credence to further destruction of acceptable topics.
Your characterization of me as disingenuous is absurd. My concerns are the exact same as they were nine months ago, and the same as they were when I posted them on both /r/KiA and /r/KiA2. I truly and legitimately want for open and free discussion of anything from the most banal to the most sensitive of topics.
As I said, I'm busy with Easter stuff so I'll reply to other stuff later.
A statement of intent and example is perfectly reasonable, and I'm sure I could build that up.
I admit that I may have a purely biased perspective by the nature of my work itself. If I'm primarily seeing shit that violates rules, then that's what I'll tend to see. Insert hammer & nail analogy.
Actually we disagree on that. The policy isn't targeting the topic. More than anything it's targeting the negative spiral of hate mongering and resentment stoking that those topics are intentionally designed to illicit.
Think about it from Impossible1's bias. If his hatred of women started to spiral and attract like minded people who constantly complained about women, their innate inferiority, and their desire to destroy all men, it would actually poison the attitude of the forum and cultivate an environment of whinny incels.
But compare the refinement, documentation, history, organization, support, and funding of the Incel community to that of anti-Jewish or anti-Homosexual groups. There is no Incel political party, no weaponized meme-ing to create psychological conditioning, no history of documented "Scientific Sexism" from the progressive era to debate, nor books into the innate dangers of women, nor a gendercide of women (and arguments that deny it's existence if it had actually happened).
Sure, an ideology built on resentment against women exists, but it's structure is vastly inferior to the structure of ideologies built on resentment against Jews, disgust against Homosexuals, or resentment and disgust against Blacks.
Now, is there such an ideology of resentment and disgust that exists against men and whites? Absolutely? Is it here?... eh, no. I don't even have the opportunity to remove comments targeting white people and men... because no one's making them. No one's screaming about Hindus either. I can only enforce what's in front of me. It's not like I'm desperate to defend the honor of women from Impossible.
I'm literally laughing to myself as I write this about the idea of me screaming "I MUST SAVE THE INTEGRITY OF WOMANHOOD!" and banning impossible.
Happy Easter.
This. Also, quite apart from the reasons you correctly specify here, there are additional reasons why Stormfaggery presents a problem. The fact that we don't like their views (which is true) is not the reason. I'd actually love to debate their favorite subjects with them, although I try to restrain myself because it's quite damaging to this place for people to go around spouting the views that they hold.
We have hosting. We have domain registrars. Hell, we have the T_D.Win admins, who will likely not appreciate it if we do allow stuff that brings (1) unfavorable attention on them and (2) attacks on their hosting/domain registrars. I have heard some people claim that they actually ban the word 'nigger', but that is unconfirmed.
You may say 'the attacks are already there'. I believe one Stormfag site got taken down because of inflammatory comments about that woman who got hit by a car in Charlottesville. Apparently, someone said that she was a fat dumbass who deserved to die or something. I don't personally have a problem with it, but it's something with a lot of risk and barely any reward - besides some catharsis for the individual saying it.
You can call DoM a sellout, cuck, whatever you want. Fact is, he is responsible for the survival of this community. In order to safeguard the survival, he may have to do some things that you don't like, that he doesn't like.
Finally, olur cause (Gamergate) stands on its own, and it is vehemently anti-identity politics of all stripes. This is not a recruiting ground for your politics, whatever your stripes are. If we were swarmed by communists who tried to make every thread about the evils of 'capitalist pigs', that would also be quite tiring.
The problem is that people who start down the road of what Gamergate uncovered will eventually find the underlying mechanisms of what was driving everything. This is why KiA fractured. Some people began to identify root causes and others couldn't upend their worldview when confronted with new information. Honest inquiry will organically lead to exploration of identity politics every time, which is why everything eventually gets censored.
You're always allowed to discuss and learn up to a point, but anything beyond that point is forbidden.
I was there. I don't remember you. No one mentioned the 'nefarious Jews', which I presume you think what it was all about. In fact, some of the strongest mod critics were Jews. It was about what we were allowed to post, which had nothing at all to do with the Jews.
Have you considered that you may just be wrong, and that people are not bad because of their ethnicity?
The initial fracture was discovering that the Left is the engine powering all the unethical politically motivated journalism. Lots of people were unwilling to grapple with the discovery that the Left is essentially evil. This is a large part of why KiA2 emerged, as a response to every criticism of the Left getting pruned for "unrelated politics", despite it being directly related to the behavior we'd been cataloging.
If you keep digging further you start finding a whole lot of Jewish influence, but once you find that and attempt to explore that phenomenon you get people like you coming in to squash further exploration of the issue.