About nine months ago this lifeboat came into existence following massive purges by Reddit admins against non-establishment conforming materials. Those purges never ended, which is why this particular forum has become the overall bastion for KIA2/GG materials.
On the creation of this site we were presented a set of 16 rules which we, the users, were questioned about. Overwhelming we found that the rules were overbearing and redundant.
Many of these rules are redundant, unnecessary, or bad.
The most obvious of which is that there are THREE rules covering NSFW/pornographic material. It was pointed out by myself as well as numerous other users that these were redundant and pointless, and the assumption was that these would be changed as the rules were simply temporary.
It's nine months on.
Those are only the most egregiously obvious.
The reason I make this post today is that our rules are so open-ended and confusing that even our illustrious mods have no idea WTF they mean.
I was personally banned for a day for a rule 15 violation after which u/DomitiusOfMassilia/ admitted he misunderstood what the rule meant. Immediately after I watched him make the same mistake with another. Now, a week after, I notice that the majority of action is taken under rules 2, 15, and 16. Almost all content removals are based on slurs/bad language/insults.
This post is largely upvoted while Dom's statement of removal is largely downvoted. That's just one example. This is becoming far too common. Please do not make the same mistakes that murdered KIA1.
Note that I am not calling out Dom specifically. I think the rules themselves are dogshit tier and must be fixed. I like this community, even if I do think you're a bunch of faggots. And goddamnit u/TheImpossible1 there's no women involved here so kindly fuck off.
Can we please have a serious discussion about our rules and the impacts that they have, and FIX THEM? We do not need SIXTEEN RULES, especially when it's clear not even our mods understand them all.
I'm a bit busy still with Easter stuff so I'll write a couple more in-depth responses later.
I want to respond to this a bit though.
That's not at all what I'm doing.
There are two parts to this:
It is instead much better to have fewer, more consolidated rules and attach examples and a statement of intent to each. Similar to certain methods of legal documentation.
I also will talk and debate about many other topics and ideas. I believe I've been quite thorough in my discussions on the tranny issue, for example.
What I am concerned about is using the rules as an outright blanket banning of certain discussions or ideas. The original intent of those rule, as discussed, was to prevent low-effort hate posts, while still allowing discussion of said "non-pc" topics.
I'm sure we can both agree that these rules have been targeted against issues such as global judaism, black criminality, LGBT issues, and others.
I am concerned with what I've seen in that the tangent we're now following will give credence to further destruction of acceptable topics.
Your characterization of me as disingenuous is absurd. My concerns are the exact same as they were nine months ago, and the same as they were when I posted them on both /r/KiA and /r/KiA2. I truly and legitimately want for open and free discussion of anything from the most banal to the most sensitive of topics.
As I said, I'm busy with Easter stuff so I'll reply to other stuff later.
A statement of intent and example is perfectly reasonable, and I'm sure I could build that up.
I admit that I may have a purely biased perspective by the nature of my work itself. If I'm primarily seeing shit that violates rules, then that's what I'll tend to see. Insert hammer & nail analogy.
Actually we disagree on that. The policy isn't targeting the topic. More than anything it's targeting the negative spiral of hate mongering and resentment stoking that those topics are intentionally designed to illicit.
Think about it from Impossible1's bias. If his hatred of women started to spiral and attract like minded people who constantly complained about women, their innate inferiority, and their desire to destroy all men, it would actually poison the attitude of the forum and cultivate an environment of whinny incels.
But compare the refinement, documentation, history, organization, support, and funding of the Incel community to that of anti-Jewish or anti-Homosexual groups. There is no Incel political party, no weaponized meme-ing to create psychological conditioning, no history of documented "Scientific Sexism" from the progressive era to debate, nor books into the innate dangers of women, nor a gendercide of women (and arguments that deny it's existence if it had actually happened).
Sure, an ideology built on resentment against women exists, but it's structure is vastly inferior to the structure of ideologies built on resentment against Jews, disgust against Homosexuals, or resentment and disgust against Blacks.
Now, is there such an ideology of resentment and disgust that exists against men and whites? Absolutely? Is it here?... eh, no. I don't even have the opportunity to remove comments targeting white people and men... because no one's making them. No one's screaming about Hindus either. I can only enforce what's in front of me. It's not like I'm desperate to defend the honor of women from Impossible.
I'm literally laughing to myself as I write this about the idea of me screaming "I MUST SAVE THE INTEGRITY OF WOMANHOOD!" and banning impossible.
Happy Easter.