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posted 5 years ago by ArchVileRespawned 5 years ago by ArchVileRespawned +28 / -0
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– Arkana 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

In this article they lump together many different conspiracies as well.

I suppose the truth of that claim depends a bit on how you define "current day." But the certainty that international Jewry was plotting to enslave the world and had even boldly transcribed its plan in a book called The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion swept the globe 120 years ago and is, even now, popular in Japan and the Middle East. The manic belief that the murder of John F. Kennedy more than half a century back was the sinister centerpiece of a coup by (take your pick) the CIA, the Mafia, Big Oil, or World Communism is still a planetary obsession. Then there are the 9/11 Truthers, the faked moon landing crowd, and of course the cabal of Freemasons who sank the Titanic. And don't get me started on the cover-up of Paul McCartney's death.

Before GamerGate I barely gave these kinds of things the time of day, but you end up with "If they're trying so hard to slander this one thing I know, what else are the media lying about?" becomes a much more compelling thought. I have since gained the belief that many of those things are not to be dismissed so quickly.

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– Auntie_Mildred 16 points 5 years ago +16 / -0

The more you see the news faked in front of your very eyes (whether green screen, "misinterpretations", or other gaslighting) the more it should drove you to question the history that they have taught you.

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– w-duranty6489 14 points 5 years ago +14 / -0

But the certainty that international Jewry was plotting to enslave the world and had even boldly transcribed its plan in a book called The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Das Kapital swept the globe 120 years ago and is,

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– AntonioOfVenice 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

The Protocols are quite an obvious forgery. As for the other things, I no longer doubt that political leaders are morally capable of something like 9/11 - Andrew Cuomo did five of them and barely anyone complained. Though whether they could practically pull it of is another matter.

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– Arkana 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

"Forgery" simply means being copied from something else, it does not mean a fabrication or inherently false. Either way, you just need to see how much they apply to the modern day or not.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 5 years ago +4 / -0

"Forgery" simply means being copied from something else,

Yeah, from a work of fiction. Or did you really think that Napoleon III had conversations with Niccolo Machiavelli? It would explain why you have enough screws loose to make the Protocols your Bible.

does not mean a fabrication or inherently false.

ROFL. "Fake but accurate".

Even Joseph Goebbels realized that the Protocols were as fake as it gets. But he had a Ph.D. in literature when it meant something, while you are a witless Stormfag.

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– Arkana 5 points 5 years ago +5 / -0

I'm just saying that the media's tactics to discredit something is to immediately call it a "forgery" which has nothing to do with the content itself, just that it was not the original source. You see this a lot with historical documents that people would rather not want to be acknowledged.

I haven't actually read it myself, just seen the knee-jerk response that happens when somebody isn't willing to outright dismiss it. And with the recent amount of things being "debunked" that tends to mean you should give it pause, but obviously not totally believe it because of that alone.

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– somercet 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

"Forgery" simply means being copied from something else

That's plagiarism.

it does not mean a fabrication or inherently false.

That is exactly what it means. A forged check is an attempt to drain someone else's bank account. A Vermeer forgery is a painting designed to cash in on Vermeer's reputation, by imitating his style, by imitating his subject matter, by using the paints and canvases he used, by aging the painting. "Forgery" is identity theft.

Let's turn this around:

Being a dedicated Americanist (i.e., a person who wants to undo the New Deal, and then institute new, capitalist reforms that work far better and are less intrusive), I want to destroy the reputation of leading Democrats. To destroy them on health care, I have the following:

  1. In 1992, Hillary touted "single-payer" health care. Unlike the UK or CA NHS systems, doctors are not directly employed by the government, but all would be paid by the govt, so the distinction is moot.
  2. In 1994, Billary was rewarded with a total rout in Congress by the GOP.
  3. Obama was to the "public option" (AKA single-payer in slow motion) what Thomas Jefferson was to emancipation, offering more promises of it the further he was re-election or any political power. In Aug 2008, it was in his platform one, two. Even Politifact noted it: one, two.
  4. Obama, too, was rewarded with a rout in 2010. Even those Democrats facing the 2010 midterms were leery of single-payer.
  5. By 2016 and no longer up for re-election, Obama was again touting a "strong public option".
  6. Bernie Sanders wants "Medicare for All," which is just single-payer under another name.

Look at the links. These are all reputable sources (ha! Well, I suppose they were). All of the above is true.

Now, if I was a boring, normal person, I would just point out that every Democrat since 1992 has been cuckoo for single payer since forever, regardless of who you vote for. Bernie Bros who whine about Hillary (in between shooting up GOP congressmen) are really only whining that Hillary isn't deploying the Marines to force us all onto Medicare (and its massive, massive taxes) at gun point. And of course, BBs are racist, because they don't whine about Obama in the same way.

But, if I was a retarded freak, then I would forge something called, say, The Protocols of the Meetings of the Learned Elders of the DNC, in which I would pack all the above evidence into words inserted into O'Billary Sander's mouths, and also say that fetuses are not sold for medical experiments, but actually ground into pâté, and that the Trump administration is about to bust Big Pâté, and that everyone should sit back, do nothing, and wait for the prophesied HYUGE REVEAL, instead of doing something insane like going out and getting politically involved.

Now do you see why we don't trust you?

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– somercet 3 points 5 years ago +3 / -0

Just remember: many of those "conspiracy theories" are in fact pushed by other conspirators to create dissension.

If you want to read two books on the Kennedy assassination, I strongly recommend:

  • Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK by Gerald Posner, 2003. Amazon, Barnes & Noble
  • Camelot and the Cultural Revolution: How the Assassination of John F. Kennedy Shattered American Liberalism by James Piereson, 2007. Amazon, Barnes & Noble

The first book is, in effect, the biography of Lee Harvey Oswald, showing you how he was definitely the only man in Dallas with the means, motive and opportunity to shoot Kennedy, and who was also ID'ed on the scene by witnesses.

The second book shows you how the first conspiracy theory about JFK's death was promulgated by Jackie Kennedy and The New York Times within 24 hours of the shooting.

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