I'm not weird. I would never eat that junk. I just like laughing at it. It's like those pictures of disgusting houses. You like those too right?
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The worst thing that ever happened to black culture was the great migration, we lost the entirety of the black middle class in a decade, saw the pervasiveness of black ghettos and lost the culture war of north vs south by the 60's.
That makes sense. It's something I never paid attention to much being from the South and all. It also seems the ones that migrated were even the worst of the bunch.
I grew up and worked around a lot of traditional Southern black family oriented, church-going culture. It's exactly what they should look to as their culture as it's the different identity from whites that they want but still actually has good values. Sadly they totally failed to pass it on somehow as the remnants of that are gone. Now somehow black culture is being a ghetto gangster.
I don't agree. Thomas Sowell actually notes that thought the initial migration northward caused racial tensions in the north, there were a significant number of efforts by blacks to improve the culture of southern blacks and integrate them into the north. He points out that racialist laws were enacted during the beginning of the migration, but after about 20-30 years they were actually being stripped away with popular support in many areas. Non-blacks simply didn't see a need to continue enforcing segregationist laws when blacks were not culturally objectionable to the local population (and also didn't threaten the economic security of other groups).
Sidenote: this is really what a lot of racial discrimination boiled down to, some specific group being given special treatment and economic control over certain sectors, and other groups either inadvertently, or advertently, challenging that protectionism. This was a consistent problem in high-immigrant, party-boss run, democratic cities.
The pervasiveness of black ghettos simply did not exist the way it does now until the 1960's and the totalization of blacks under a plantation style welfare state.
Not to mention, that the situation outside of the North and the Neo-Confederate South was also different. This is why activists harp on Tulsa and other black communities in the west. These did not become ghettos because they were founded by people who were freed slaves and decided to build communities from scratch. That's a massive work ethic, with an entrepreneurial spirit, and enough endurance to live through slavery, and then head west. Those are tough people! There's no evidence that the Great Migration out of the south to the west was even a problem. The communities were effectively policing their own behavior.
But Sowell also noted that the integration failed miserably. There is no argument that the ghettos of today were due to the social welfare crusades in the 60s and 70s, however the large integration of southern blacks into northern cities during the great migration did in fact kill the black middle class that was almost entirely integrated with new england culture at the time. This buffer period between the 20s and the 70s when the migration occured ended with the stable black culture annihilated, which Sowell also wrote extensively about, as todays anti intellectualism amongst the black community was yesterday's southern Scottish culture. What Sowell also noted was that foreign born blacks heavily outearned the 'native' city black population, which also speaks to your point on the western frontiers.
No, he didn't say the concept of racial integration failed, he said that the welfare state failed. Forced integration has been an obvious failure, and he mentions that, mostly through affirmative action.
It is not at all true that the black middle class was destroyed by the Great Migration. I'm not even sure how that would work since the Black Middle class took steps to successfully integrate lower class southern blacks into the north. Immigrant lower class blacks did not make middle class blacks poor. I don't understand how you got to that conclusion, and it wouldn't make sense in any other environment either. The best case scenario is that the immigrant population and middle class population intentionally segregate themselves from one another. The middle class population wouldn't simply become poor.
Think of the reverse situation with selected African migrants into the US and Black ghettos. Selected African immigrants (those who are not part of a larger refugee or mass import scheme) explicitly avoid living in ghettos. The culture between the two populations is too severe for them to live next to each other regardless of complexion. Hell if we were to truly test it, \we'd see that they're different ethnic groups. We also see something similar with Rural and Middle Class blacks today. The urban cores are a ghettoizing force.
I think you're confusing the damage to black families by the welfare state with immigration from the south many decades earlier. Frankly, if southern blacks had destroyed black middle class families, the black middle class family would have been destroyed by the 30's, not the 70's. The welfare states damage is extreme and fast. Black areas were absolutely ravaged within 10 years of the Civil Rights movement, and have been continuing to be an unmitigated disaster every decade since, getting worse and worse.
I may have been confusing the results of the great migration myself with the results of what came after the migration. I'm too young to have lived in that time, but growing up amongst a decent amount of black people, there do exist remnants of that culture. My perception of the first half of the 20th century is totally different about blacks. They seemed to be far from lazy for one and really just wanted a society where they would be afforded the opportunity to work hard and bear the fruits of that hard work.
I guess I really wonder why such a dramatic shift? Is it really the result of the LBJ "Great Society" and if so, why did blacks take up so easily to the lazy degeneracy of living off the welfare state? Are they culturally lazy, or is it just because there were more poor black people at the time? Meaning that poor white people also became lazy welfare slaves. I know there's plenty of those welfare whites in the redneck South, and I suspect all over the country. Still though, the black community seems to embrace that life now.
I do need to read some Sowell, I've got some of his stuff on my next-to-read list. My understanding is he talks about this type stuff a lot.
I think you can tell by seeing my username in the reply what the answer is.
Basically, black women backstabbed black men so they could get fat government checks. That's why black music constantly says women aren't worth shit. They saw it first hand in their own community