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It could be useful, but we should be aware that those blue state countries won't EVER leave the red state countries alone. Walking away isn't possible because they won't let it be. Plus there will be a civil conflict no matter what, Washington can't let secession succeed for the same reasons it couldn't let it happen 160 years ago.
Red states will be treated exactly like we treat certain regions of the Middle East and South America: they will be condemned for being "non-democratic" and subject to economic sanctions at best and color revolutions and invasions at worst.
Agreed. Federal Secession is both not reasonable, and wouldn't be popular either. Americans like the United States. They don't like Communists, and the Communists don't like Americans. I don't think anyone would want to see an armed and militarized border between Utah and Oregon, especially when Oregonians should be liberated anyway.
Again, I re-state: State Secession will be a tenable answer. Blue states will have ungovernable red territory. That red territory will want protection from either red states, or will operate independently. Only a few house seats would change hands if the states move borders. New states could form when Puerto Rico gets brought into the Senate. It's even possible that the reverse takes place. Some swath of a Red state that has a blue city/region/coast could seperate even more easily as Blue from Red, than Red from Blue.
Dissolving the union is utter lunacy, wouldn't be popular, and would guarantee the rise of China as an uncontested super-power. But, re-drawing the states is absolutely workable, and both sides might find a reason to do it.
The problem right now is that state secession requires consent from the legislature of the state. No way California lets the Central Valley secede, nor that New York lets upstate secede. There are too many captive EV's at stake.
Right now.
State's are already in the process of turning Red and Blue. Ohio and Flordia going Red long term is a problem for the Dems. If Texas goes Blue, along with California and New York, that's not going to be tolerable for the Reps. The more aggressive the Dems get with the Reps, the more civil disobedience will occur, and the more state secession will be an amicable solution to maintain order and peace. Not only that, but you've also got depopulation of cities on the rise too.
It is very clear to me that the political situation is highly flexible at the moment. The best thing for any establishment power structure to do is secure new positions where the flexing seems to stop. The best and easiest solution to continuing tension and problems will be for people to start making deals and re-drawing political lines.
It gets even trickier if you look at how counties vote. Even so called "blue" states like Oregon and Washington are pretty fucking red or are pushing purple when you get outside the major cities.
I think we're at the point where when major cities hit a certain population they need to be broken off into their own separate city state.
That's actually a great idea.
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Yeah, that's what I've been trying to say for a while now. Federal Secession won't happen. But State Secession could, and might avoid significant armed conflict.
You really think a lefty controlled CIA will stop? Regime change in other nations is that department's speciality.
First of all: Fuck Secession, I'm not giving ground to Communists, I'd rather subjugate and re-construct California than give it to the fucking Left if we're gonna get stupid. It's my country, they can helicopter out of it.
If there is to be secession, let it be State secession, where places like Oregon declare their independence from Communist shitholes like Portland. The political lines can we well re-drawn without entirely collapsing the fucking union on it's head and guaranteeing total Chinese world domination.
Secondly, I'm not upset about SCOTUS's decision either, but more because I'd rather we all recognize that Marbury v. Madison was wild constitutional over-reach, and it should be repealed by constitutional amendment if need be. The law is not decided by the court, it is decided, ultimately, by the people. That is the definition of popular sovereignty. The individual people are their own sovereigns. If the Court is to abandon it's responsibility to "determine the law", then let it's burdensome responsibility be stripped.