3rd reason: oversaturation and what was once a cool twist becoming the norm. Like old whedon stuff.

Try watching firefly or aliens 4 now. Oh sure you might have thought aliens 4 was bad then (you were wrong), but now after the decade of marvel and whedonisms, you will be clawing your ear drums out to end the pain. The quips are aggravating and immersion breaking. But it applies to the good as well, firefly won't hit the same.

I think a lot of the subversion stuff is like that too. Watchmen was maybe fun when every other superhero was earnest. Now it would be subversive to play it straight and not have morally gray slop.

3rd reason: oversaturation and what was once a cool twist becoming the norm. Like old whedon stuff.

Try watching firefly or aliens 4 now. Oh sure you might have thought aliens 4 was bad then (you were wrong), but now after the decade of marvel and whedonisms, you will be clawing your ear drums out to end the pain. The quips are aggravating and immersion breaking.

I think a lot of the subversion stuff is like that too. Watchmen was maybe fun when every other superhero was earnest. Now it would be subversive to play it straight and not have morally gray slop.