And this is at least part of the reason I dont normally engage with you on this topic

For very good reasons, because you know you would not do well.

Ukraine exist. It existed since the Middle Ages.

Great. Show me one reference to a state named Ukraine in the Middle Ages.

Then when that evil empire imploded

There's two more yet to implode.

they ran screaming for the door like so many other former Soviet states, finally becoming free and independent in the process, much like the Poles and Baltics before them.

And what a miserable failure the Ukrainian state has been. Have you looked at its per capita GDP, or its population? It's the most corrupt country in Europe.

And now they have their former overlord coming back to try and drag them back to their decaying land

"Decaying" land with many times the GDP of Ukraine. By the way, you're trying to deceive people, of course. Hell, Russia pushed the Donbass republics back into Ukraine with the Minsk accords, in what the corrupt Western leaders you worship have admitted was deception. The end result is that Ukraine got wrecked.

And even if you didnt believe Ukraine existed before, well congratulations: It exist now. Because you united a people against a common enemy and gave them a reason to fight

Oh please. Same happened during World War II when the "Ukrainians" were allied with the Nazis.

Is it any wonder that Ukraine's response was to channel their inner Pole, cry "Never again",

Well, let's see, they worship Stepan Bandera, a mass murderer of Jews and Poles. So they really are channeling their inner German.

Trump tried to warn them of this exact issue, and what was Germany's response? To smugly laugh and declare him to be a buffoon.

There was no issue. Trump was upset that Germany was not sabotaging its own economy by buying overpriced, crappy American LNG, instead of getting cheap natural gas from Russia. Russia is no threat to anyone in Europe. They don't have military bases here, unlike the Americans.

So forgive me if I am not going to lose too much sleep over Germany once again suffering the consequences of its own actions

Great, so you're approving of terrorism and sabotage now, committed by Joe Biden? Not a single word out of you about 9/11, or any other terrorism targeting Americans in the future. You have forfeited that right. Also, it's an act of war, so expect the Russians to hit back by sabotaging American infrastructure... not that it needs any sabotage.

And I say that as someone who is descended from Germans

Well, you're still allied with Ukrainian fascists...

They are certainly welcome to try. Something tells me that they would be far less successful in that endeavor though.

No? So you admit that your alleged indulgence was really a crappy deal that you were trying to foist on the Russians.

And what happens if we pick someone they dont like? Then they will probably overthrow them

Probably?

OK, you're admitting that "Ukraine" is just an American puppet. Not a sovereign country, not a democracy, just your outpost on Russia's doorsteps. Seems like you're making a great case for the Russian war effort.

I suppose call it the backlash to all of the attempts to tear down my country

Biden says America sucks! I KNOW, LET'S SUPPORT BIDEN COMMITTING TERRORISM!

I am thoroughly sick, tired, and done with caring about what a bunch of sniveling European elitist think the US should be. I would rather be the American the Chinese and Russians think we are. Minus the Woke aspects of course, but consider most of those ideals come from France....

Nothing French about the woke, it's all-American. And if you don't care about your European vassals, maybe it's about time that you got kicked out of Europe.

You seem to think I have been swimming in some sort of MSM slurry and being told what to think about all of this by the likes of Brian Stelter and Chris Cumuo.

I meant the Ukrainians, not you. But you as well. You unfortunately don't know the first thing beyond the government narrative.

Video doesnt lie when you are watching it go down live.

Nonsense. You only see a select sliver of what happened.

So I question why you and others take them at face value either

What makes you think that I take "Russian newscasters" at face value? Or indeed, that I follow them at all. I only follow some English language Russian sources, because God knows the MSM will lie to you about everything.

Just compare a map of Ukraine now to a map about a year ago, and tell me with a straight face Russia will win this.

Well, let's see, there's a Crimean landbridge that wasn't there before, Luhansk oblast is almost completely conquered - and all this with 170,000 men (which is a joke).

Maybe Donbass, but Ukraine will stand defiant.

LOL! So your 'victory scenario' is the exact compromise Bennett brokered and that Ukraine's masters rejected, except one year of extra destruction for Ukraine? Great job. Ukraine must be really happy prostituting itself to the corrupt West.

I imagine we can clink some beers and share some popcorn watching the latest Russian tank turret throwing competition.

You sound like you've never had a second of hardship in your life.

And this is at least part of the reason I dont normally engage with you on this topic

For very good reasons, because you know you would not do well.

Ukraine exist. It existed since the Middle Ages.

Great. Show me one reference to a state named Ukraine in the Middle Ages.

Then when that evil empire imploded

There's two more yet to implode.

they ran screaming for the door like so many other former Soviet states, finally becoming free and independent in the process, much like the Poles and Baltics before them.

And what a miserable failure the Ukrainian state has been. Have you looked at its per capita GDP, or its population? It's the most corrupt country in Europe.

And now they have their former overlord coming back to try and drag them back to their decaying land

"Decaying" land with many times the GDP of Ukraine. By the way, you're trying to deceive people, of course. Hell, Russia pushed the Donbass republics back into Ukraine with the Minsk accords, in what the corrupt Western leaders you worship have admitted was deception. The end result is that Ukraine got wrecked.

And even if you didnt believe Ukraine existed before, well congratulations: It exist now. Because you united a people against a common enemy and gave them a reason to fight

Oh please. Same happened during World War II when the "Ukrainians" were allied with the Nazis.

Is it any wonder that Ukraine's response was to channel their inner Pole, cry "Never again",

Well, let's see, they worship Stepan Bandera, a mass murderer of Jews and Poles. So they really are channeling their inner German.

Trump tried to warn them of this exact issue, and what was Germany's response? To smugly laugh and declare him to be a buffoon.

There was no issue. Trump was upset that Germany was not sabotaging its own economy by buying overpriced, crappy American LNG, instead of getting cheap natural gas from Russia. Russia is no threat to anyone in Europe. They don't have military bases here, unlike the Americans.

So forgive me if I am not going to lose too much sleep over Germany once again suffering the consequences of its own actions

Great, so you're approving of terrorism and sabotage now, committed by Joe Biden? Not a single word out of you about 9/11, or any other terrorism targeting Americans in the future. You have forfeited that right. Also, it's an act of war, so expect the Russians to hit back by sabotaging American infrastructure... not that it needs any sabotage.

And I say that as someone who is descended from Germans

Well, you're still allied with Ukrainian fascists...

They are certainly welcome to try. Something tells me that they would be far less successful in that endeavor though.

No? So you admit that your alleged indulgence was really a crappy deal that you were trying to foist on the Russians.

And what happens if we pick someone they dont like? Then they will probably overthrow them

Probably?

OK, you're admitting that "Ukraine" is just an American puppet. Not a sovereign country, not a democracy, just your outpost on Russia's doorsteps. Seems like you're making a great case for the Russian war effort.

I suppose call it the backlash to all of the attempts to tear down my country

Biden says America sucks! I KNOW, LET'S SUPPORT BIDEN COMMITTING TERRORISM!

I am thoroughly sick, tired, and done with caring about what a bunch of sniveling European elitist think the US should be. I would rather be the American the Chinese and Russians think we are. Minus the Woke aspects of course, but consider most of those ideals come from France....

Nothing French about the woke, it's all-American. And if you don't care about your European vassals, maybe it's about time that you got kicked out of Europe.

You seem to think I have been swimming in some sort of MSM slurry and being told what to think about all of this by the likes of Brian Stelter and Chris Cumuo.

I meant the Ukrainians, not you. But you as well. You unfortunately don't know the first thing beyond the government narrative.

Video doesnt lie when you are watching it go down live.

Nonsense. You only see a select sliver of what happened.

So I question why you and others take them at face value either

What makes you think that I take "Russian newscasters" at face value? Or indeed, that I follow them at all. I only follow some English language Russian sources, because God knows the MSM will lie to you about everything.

Just compare a map of Ukraine now to a map about a year ago, and tell me with a straight face Russia will win this.

Well, let's see, there's a Crimean landbridge that wasn't there before, Luhansk oblast is almost completely conquered - and all this with 170,000 men (which is a joke).

Maybe Donbass, but Ukraine will stand defiant.

LOL! So your 'victory scenario' is the exact compromise Bennett brokered and that Ukraine's masters rejected, except one year of extra destruction for Ukraine? Great job. Ukraine must be really happy prostituting itself to the corrupt West.

I imagine we can clink some beers and share some popcorn watching the latest Russian tank turret throwing competition.

You've never had a second of hardship in your life, have you?