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Note how that entire article leaves the lethality unsaid.

There are two exceptions.

In the case of a leaky vaccine two new paths are offered. If the antibodies produced are non neutralising, or insuficient in number, some viruses (coronoviruses among them) have been able to take advantage of these antibodies as an additional pathway into the cells, the antibodies hook on and simply facilitate entry, this is know as ADE and has been seen in other corronovirus vaccine trials (as well as in other diseases like dengue obviously). With the vaccines* being focused on spike protein antibodies, and those antibodies not being neutralizing, there is a pathway here for increased infectivity, particularly into immune system cells. Which would be disastrous to the jabbed (and potentially previously infected although less so given their broader response).

We also have the Merek's disease phenomenon. Basically there was a disease that infects chickens that was causing a load of issues. Killing some of the weaker chickens, reducing yield, making them need extra care... Nothing a farmer wants to have to deal with. So they developed a vaccine that was around 60% effective. 60% is better than 0 right? Why wouldn't a farmer want this, protecting his chickens somewhat is still incredibly useful. But it didn't quash the virus, it simply added evolutionary pressure, the virus became more and more lethal, until it was affecting the vaccinated as badly as it used to, and outright murdering chickens that didn't get the vaccine. The introduction of a leaky vaccine made the virus far more dangerous and now we're in a constant arms race against this disease.

Both of these were possibilities when this was rolled out, with one of the two populations getting absolutely fucked because the vaccine is leaky. It was an insane risk from day 1, it should never have been attempted and the people who did so should be put on trial for playing with fire on a world-wide scale. We've seen these phenomenon before, in coronaviruses specifically with ADE (in a feline vaccine and its strongly suspected to be part of the reasons SARS was so deadly). It was irresponsible. Even though we now seem to be in the clear, I'll note that it took 2 years for ADE to appear in the dengue fever vaccine phase III trial (so like, 4 years into development and trialing) in a subgroup of people, and this is a disease where they watch like a hawk for it because ADE is what makes subsequent dengue infections so deadly. It's THE disease known for ADE so they are naturally very careful about it. This? There's no political will to watch for it, its going to be harder for it to do, and we're only at the 1.75 year period after rollout.

And the spike continues to mutate and the vaccine get less and less effective, and with the bivalent vaccine they're trying to produce a 2nd antibody, doubling the pathways for ADE.

We're not out the woods yet. And its because of their own irresponsible actions, releasing and enforcing leaky vaccine.

2 years ago
7 score
Reason: None provided.

There are two exceptions.

In the case of a leaky vaccine two new paths are offered. If the antibodies produced are non neutralising, or insuficient in number, some viruses (coronoviruses among them) have been able to take advantage of these antibodies as an additional pathway into the cells, the antibodies hook on and simply facilitate entry, this is know as ADE and has been seen in other corronovirus vaccine trials (as well as in other diseases like dengue obviously). With the vaccines* being focused on spike protein antibodies, and those antibodies not being neutralizing, there is a pathway here for increased infectivity, particularly into immune system cells.

We also have the Merek's disease phenomenon. Basically there was a disease that infects chickens that was causing a load of issues. Killing some of the weaker chickens, reducing yield, making them need extra care... Nothing a farmer wants to have to deal with. So they developed a vaccine that was around 60% effective. 60% is better than 0 right? Why wouldn't a farmer want this, protecting his chickens somewhat is still incredibly useful. But it didn't quash the virus, it simply added evolutionary pressure, the virus became more and more lethal, until it was affecting the vaccinated as badly as it used to, and outright murdering chickens that didn't get the vaccine. The introduction of a leaky vaccine made the virus far more dangerous and now we're in a constant arms race against this disease.

Both of these were possibilities when this was rolled out, with one of the two populations getting absolutely fucked because the vaccine is leaky. It was an insane risk from day 1, it should never have been attempted and the people who did so should be put on trial for playing with fire on a world-wide scale. We've seen these phenomenon before, in coronaviruses specifically with ADE (in a feline vaccine and its strongly suspected to be part of the reasons SARS was so deadly). It was irresponsible. Even though we now seem to be in the clear, I'll note that it took 2 years for ADE to appear in the dengue fever vaccine phase III trial (so like, 4 years into development and trialing) in a subgroup of people, and this is a disease where they watch like a hawk for it because ADE is what makes subsequent dengue infections so deadly. It's THE disease known for ADE so they are naturally very careful about it. This? There's no political will to watch for it, its going to be harder for it to do, and we're only at the 1.75 year period after rollout.

And the spike continues to mutate and the vaccine get less and less effective, and with the bivalent vaccine they're trying to produce a 2nd antibody, doubling the pathways for ADE.

We're not out the woods yet. And its because of their own irresponsible actions, releasing and enforcing leaky vaccine.

2 years ago
4 score
Reason: None provided.

There are two exceptions.

In the case of a leaky vaccine two new paths are offered. If the antibodies produced are non neutralising, or insuficient in number, some viruses (coronoviruses among them) have been able to take advantage of these antibodies as an additional pathway into the cells, the antibodies hook on and simply facilitate entry, this is know as ADE and has been seen in other corronovirus vaccine trials (as well as in other diseases like dengue obviously). With the vaccines* being focused on spike protein antibodies, and those antibodies not being neutralizing, there is a pathway here for increased infectivity, particularly into immune system cells.

We also have the Merek's disease phenomenon. Basically there was a disease that infects chickens that was causing a load of issues. Killing some of the weaker chickens, reducing yield, making them need extra care... Nothing a farmer wants to have to deal with. So they developed a vaccine that was around 60% effective. 60% is better than 0 right? Why wouldn't a farmer want this, protecting his chickens somewhat is still incredibly useful. But it didn't quash the virus, it simply added evolutionary pressure, the virus became more and more lethal, until it was affecting the vaccinated as badly as it used to, and outright murdering chickens that didn't get the vaccine. The introduction of a leaky vaccine made the virus far more dangerous and now we're in a constant arms race against this disease.

Both of these were possibilities when this was rolled out, with one of the two populations getting absolutely fucked because the vaccine is leaky. It was an insane risk from day 1, it should never have been attempted and the people who did so should be put on trial for playing with fire on a world-wide scale. We've seen these phenomenon before, in coronaviruses specifically with ADE (in a feline vaccine and its strongly suspected to be part of the reasons SARS was so deadly). It was irresponsible. Even though we now seem to be in the clear, I'll note that it took 2 years for ADE to appear in the dengue fever vaccine phase II trial (so like, 4 years into development and trialing) in a subgroup of people, and this is a disease where they watch like a hawk for it because ADE is what makes subsequent dengue infections so deadly. It's THE disease known for ADE so they are naturally very careful about it. This? There's no political will to watch for it, its going to be harder for it to do, and we're only at the 1.75 year period after rollout.

And the spike continues to mutate and the vaccine get less and less effective, and with the bivalent vaccine they're trying to produce a 2nd antibody, doubling the pathways for ADE.

We're not out the woods yet. And its because of their own irresponsible actions, releasing and enforcing leaky vaccine.

2 years ago
1 score
Reason: Original

There are two exceptions.

In the case of a leaky vaccine two new paths are offered. If the antibodies produced are non neutralising, or insuficient in number, some viruses (coronoviruses among them) have been able to take advantage of these antibodies as an additional pathway into the cells, the antibodies hook on and simply facilitate entry, this is know as ADE and has been seen in other corronovirus vaccine trials (as well as in other diseases like dengue obviously). With the vaccines* being focused on spike protein antibodies, and those antibodies not being neutralizing, there is a pathway here for increased infectivity, particularly into immune system cells.

We also have the Merek's disease phenomenon. Basically there was a disease that infects chickens that was causing a load of issues. Killing some of the weaker chickens, reducing yield, making them need extra care... Nothing a farmer wants to have to deal with. So they developed a vaccine that was around 60% effective. 60% is better than 0 right? Why wouldn't a farmer want this, protecting his chickens somewhat is still incredibly useful. But it didn't quash the virus, it simply added evolutionary pressure, the virus became more and more lethal, until it was affecting the vaccinated as badly as it used to, and outright murdering chickens that didn't get the vaccine. The introduction of a leaky vaccine made the virus far more dangerous and now we're in a constant arms race against this disease.

Both of these were possibilities when this was rolled out, with one of the two populations getting absolutely fucked because the vaccine is leaky. It was an insane risk from day 1, it should never have been attempted and the people who did so should be put on trial for playing with fire on a world-wide scale. We've seen these phenomenon before, in coronaviruses specifically with ADE (in a feline vaccine and its strongly suspected to be part of the reasons SARS was so deadly). It was irresponsible. Even though we now seem to be in the clear, I'll note that it took 2 years for ADE to appear in the dengue fever vaccine in a subgroup of people, and this is a disease where they watch like a hawk for it because ADE is what makes subsequent dengue infections so deadly. It's THE disease known for ADE so they are naturally very careful about it. This? There's no political will to watch for it, its going to be harder for it to do, and we're only at the 1.75 year period after rollout.

And the spike continues to mutate and the vaccine get less and less effective, and with the bivalent vaccine they're trying to produce a 2nd antibody, doubling the pathways for ADE.

We're not out the woods yet. And its because of their own irresponsible actions, releasing and enforcing leaky vaccine.

2 years ago
1 score