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Reason: clarified

From the 1100's on it was a 300 year back and forth between individual caliphates and a mini-crusade. With every major city swapping sides multiple times. And with almost all the major cities of the peninsula starting out in various caliphates hands.

It was a nonsense filler to point out that the muslims in Spain were not unified. Between each other and the wider muslim world. If a spanish caliphate was failing those people would leave or attack somewhere else. The Berbers would leave at random, mostly to attack and pillage somewhere else.

Too your other two points, to a greater or lesser degree, you agree the moors and their descendants are still there (and I agree that it is probably the latter).

Also, because you made me look some of this up, counter point: Oran fatwa (Taqiyya but specific to Spain, issued in the 1500's). And apparently, almost 5.5 million muslims at their "height", out of 7 million inhabitants.

edit: last part is more of a interesting statistic then a counter point.

3 years ago
1 score
Reason: Original

From the 1100's on it was a 300 year back and forth between individual caliphates and a mini-crusade. With every major city swapping sides multiple times. And with almost all the major cities of the peninsula starting out in various caliphates hands.

It was a nonsense filler to point out that the muslims in Spain were not unified. Between each other and the wider muslim world. If a spanish caliphate was failing those people would leave or attack somewhere else. The Berbers would leave at random, mostly to attack and pillage somewhere else.

Too your other two points, to a greater or lesser degree, you agree the moors and their descendants are still there (and I agree that it is probably the latter).

Also, because you made me look some of this up, counter point: Oran fatwa (Taqiyya but specific to Spain, issued in the 1500's). And apparently, almost 5.5 million muslims at their "height", out of 7 million inhabitants.

3 years ago
1 score