Win / KotakuInAction2
KotakuInAction2
Communities Topics Log In Sign Up
Sign In
Hot
All Posts
Settings
All
Profile
Saved
Upvoted
Hidden
Messages

Your Communities

General
AskWin
Funny
Technology
Animals
Sports
Gaming
DIY
Health
Positive
Privacy
News
Changelogs

More Communities

frenworld
OhTwitter
MillionDollarExtreme
NoNewNormal
Ladies
Conspiracies
GreatAwakening
IP2Always
GameDev
ParallelSociety
Privacy Policy
Terms of Service
Content Policy
DEFAULT COMMUNITIES • All General AskWin Funny Technology Animals Sports Gaming DIY Health Positive Privacy
KotakuInAction2 The Official Gamergate Forum
hot new rising top

Sign In or Create an Account

52
EisenWHOer? CNN reporter says Trump engaged in an "unprecedented public attack by a sitting US president on the leadership of the US military" for calling out the military-industrial complex (archive.vn)
posted 5 years ago by YesMovement 5 years ago by YesMovement +52 / -0
42 comments share
42 comments share save hide report block hide replies
You're viewing a single comment thread. View all comments, or full comment thread.
Comments (42)
sorted by:
▲ 2 ▼
– Gizortnik 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I was originally thinking of something like more of a direct skirmish. Thinking about it now, though, that's basically just forcing militias to play paintball

I think there have been historical instances of things like that, and they just devolved into actual battles.

Like, whatever things an urban militia would need to train for are probably different from a militia whose territory includes a lot of wilderness, so you'd have different types of mock-manhunts or terrorist suppression.

Right, and that would mean that each state militia could specialize in specific fields and operations.

I think I understand your point about why this would be beneficial, but I'm very wary of things getting corrupted. Taking profit out doesn't make it immune to corruption, of course, but what do you suggest for minimizing the risk of corruption in militias?

The purpose of corruption is to make bypassing a strict regulation easier. Over-stringent bureaucracy and regulation actually promotes corruption. You would basically want a system that incentives profit based on merit. Western militaries, particularly Anglo ones, are all descendant from the English "New Model Army" which explicitly focused on the importance of Meritocracy, at least within the Enlisted ranks. The Federal government, wanting cheap, but highly competent troops, would be the major enforcer of meritocratic focus. They have enormous incentives to maintain meritocracy over corruption. An incompetent, but politically appointed General, incompetently leading his own troops into disaster, is so well ingrained into the average soldier that "fragging" became a thing.

I could talk to you about the long history of political "Modern Major Generals" who are nothing beyond intellectualists & aristocrats that have no purpose on the battlefield going all the way back to Carrahe, but the fact that the enlisted ranks are prepared to execute incompetent officers says probably everything about the meritocratic focus.

So, that takes care of the external pressure to be meritocratic over corrupt. To avoid systemic corruption, the biggest factor is simply: pay. Well paid soldiers, like cops, are corrupt. Personal finance problems is one of the leading causes of corruption. Over-burdensome regulations incentivize the corruption, and poor pay & benefits nearly guarantee it.

What about internal pressures? Well, wealth, prestige, and status as an excellent niche in your particular field is critically important. Again: meritocracy over protectionism and corruption every time, and pretty much everyone is incentivized to want the highest competency in their soldiers.

There may be a threat for corruption with the feds favoring some states over others, but this is why you have to have each state excel at particular things. California might be producing great pilots, but Connecticut isn't. Instead, they need to focus on cyber-warfare.

The overall point here is not to prevent corruption, or even police it. But to use selfishness as a weapon to re-enforce meritocratic institutions.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 1 ▼
– evilmathmagician 1 point 5 years ago +1 / -0

The overall point here is not to prevent corruption, or even police it. But to use selfishness as a weapon to re-enforce meritocratic institutions.

I was having a hard time understanding til this part. I'll be thinking about it for a while in the back of my mind, thanks. I basically started slipping into a stance of pushing negative reinforcement when I know only positive reinforcement works.

The purpose of corruption is to make bypassing a strict regulation easier.

I hadn't thought of it like this.

Well paid soldiers, like cops, are corrupt.

Also I assume you meant underpaid instead of well paid here.

permalink parent save report block reply
▲ 2 ▼
– Gizortnik 2 points 5 years ago +2 / -0

I basically started slipping into a stance of pushing negative reinforcement when I know only positive reinforcement works.

Negative reinforcement only works initially. Building an institution can only work with positive reinforcement.

I hadn't thought of it like this.

Yeah, one of the benefits of a "shadow economy" is that if it's already illegal, it's unrestricted by regulation, taxation, or control. It can almost always undercut the price of an overly regulated market, and can guarantee higher personal profits for the people who involve themselves in it (so long as organized crime hasn't stepped in and taken the profits for the criminal racket).

If you've ever seen Tim Pool talk about his experience in Venezuela, you might have heard him try to buy a cellphone, but complain that he had to go through multiple bureaucrats to get approval before ever purchasing the good. Bureaucrats are a massive 'make-work' scheme by the government by people who will be loyal to their paymasters, but aren't otherwise able to find jobs. These bureaucrats are particularly vulnerable to someone "greasing the wheels" with money. If, for example, Tim Pool had handed $50 to every bureaucrat he met to buy his phone, he would have gotten it much faster. If time-sensitive materials are involved, a low paid bureaucrat is especially susceptible to corruption.

This is actually one of the reasons why the Feds allow US governments in foreign countries to keep funds specifically for bribery as long as the Feds know what's in there and who's being bought off. Some companies simply can't operate in countries without bribery for local officials. It's effectively an informal tax.

The people at the top of a political structure are also very susceptible to bribes because the stronger the regulation is, the more protected the wealthiest firms are (thereby making those firms payees for protection), and the more less wealthy firms have to 'pay-to-play'.

What all this means is that burdensome regulation and bureaucracy can actually cause corruption, just to get around it. The best way to reduce corruption, is to reduce it's cause. If you loosen and decentralize your system, you can prevent the need for bribery. if you then incentivize a meritocratic system you'll make bribery much more difficult. Instead, people will invest in successful meritocratic initiatives because it will have the best return.

If you loosen the centralization of power, you take away the need for corruption to get around it. Bribery is based on people looking for a better return on their investment. If you specify meritocracy, they'll invest in successful merit-based processes at early stages, rather than invest in a protection racket to guarantee the best return.

Also I assume you meant underpaid instead of well paid here.

Yeah, that was my mistake.

permalink parent save report block reply

Original 8chan Links to Gamer Gate:

.

The main GG discussion is on the videogames board: https://8chan.moe/v/

.

GamerGate archive is at https://8chan.moe/gamergatehq/

.

GamerGate Wiki:

https://ggwiki.deepfreeze.it/index.php/Main_Page

. . . . . .

. . . . . .

Rules:

.

ONE: Do not advocate for illegal violence or post other illegal activity. (Be aware of your local laws.)

.

TWO: Don't threaten, harass, or impersonate users. Also: don't be a psycho. New users will be held to a higher standard.

.

THREE: Do not post porn.

.

FOUR: NSFW/NSFL content must be flaired NSFW.

.

FIVE: No vote manipulation. Do not break communities.win's features.

.

SIX: No spam or reposts. Do not make more than 5 threads a day.

.

SEVEN: Do not post falsehoods and hoaxes that are obvious to an uncontroversial degree.

. . . . . .

. . . . . .

Moderation Logs:

.

(Two different versions, Scored has more features and is cleaner, but .win let's you see a few more details in certain instances.)

  • Scored
  • .win

Moderators

  • DomitiusOfMassilia
  • C
  • BandageBandolier
  • CarmenOfSandiego
  • The_Shadow_of_Intent
  • SocraticMethod1
  • Kienan
  • Smith1980
Message the Moderators

Terms of Service | Privacy Policy

2026.02.01 - w2qgj (status)

Copyright © 2026.

Terms of Service | Privacy Policy