Fairly accurate, but way, way too negative. Maybe it's a pre-shockwave, but Western civilization isn't going to disappear anytime soon. If only because most women prefer masculine men - the preference is that strong.
Your analysis isn't wrong - it's just pessimistic, from my perspective anyways. Feminism definitely fucks anyone who touches it regardless of gender - ten years ago there weren't anti-feminists (not to the extent of these days). Or even five years ago. Or anti-SJW, and so on.
The key here is that women truly are more miserable today than they ever were. "When the gods wish to punish us they answer our prayers." springs to mind. What women essentially received was what feminism pushed for - and boy, is it not to their liking at all in almost any way when it comes down to it. It's more like a drug that makes you feel good and the supply never runs out - but it sure as fuck runs into reality and gets the shit kicked out of it. I could write paragraphs about how it does that, but that's essentially what happens.
Just like all the lefties currently realizing "Welp, what I thought was the left isn't what it is, I need to re-adjust and oh wow, these right-wingers ain't so bad. Some are even... good. I like them." Women are having that type of reaction too, albeit slower. And they are pissed when they figure it out. Not that they're dying to be tradwives or anything - but oh hey, those basic nuclear family quasi-traditional family shit, that stuff is really good.
We're essentially waiting for the waning of power over society created by feminism and it's useful idiots. Kinda like guys who've done jack shit and it suddenly clicks for them all that it takes to have a good amount of success in life is to just put the effort in (Nike didn't choose "Just Do It" as their slogan for no reason, just sayin') and you actually get results. Not perfect ones, but far better than before.
And when those individual 39yo women realize their whole lives were wrong and they can't undo the damage, no matter how much they change their mindset now, a good portion of them will double down, spit that red pill back up, and stubbornly continue down the same course, because the shock of admitting they wasted their entire lives is just too much to admit and deal with.
100% true. Its has already happened. Most feminists will admit in private that their lives are fucking miserable, but the kicker is that they still think its all men's fault. Feminists are completely incapable of introspection.
This comment makes me sad, because I know several women who it describes perfectly. I have watched leftism destroy them, their future, and the future their children could have had. Instead, they have to get ever-more extreme to keep in the dating pool, much less try and keep a guy interested. And the most infuriating thing is watching their mothers approve this folly.
This comment makes me sad, because I know several women who it describes perfectly
It's exactly what happened with Taylor Swift. She used to be an innocent country girl/farmer's daughter singing about getting married and having kids. Now she's 30, has become "thick," has no kids, owns multiple cats, is a vocal feminist, and just sings about being a whore engaging in premarital sex instead of looking for everlasting love or what have you.
I bet most people don't remember this, but feminists used to HATE Taylor Swift. That's how you knew she was doing something right... and that's probably also why she stopped doing it.
I call it "small fish, big pond" syndrome. Girl grows up in small(ish) town to decently wealthy parents. Moves to bigger town, has to put out to stay socially relevant. Moves to BIG town, is still small fish, ends up getting swallowed whole. Ends up unable to cope with fact that they are small fish in big pond, dissolves into self-destructive behavior.
Parental failings across generations is an issue I don't think gets addressed enough. With community more generally unraveling in the modern world, the role of parental guidance becomes ever more important, but there's a lot of families that aren't offering good advice to their offspring. That failure in duty is wreaking havoc on so many levels, even in good stable nuclear families that you think are doing everything right.
In this case, the failings were mostly her mother's. Her (step)dad was an excellent man, role model, wonderful guy... and her mom divorced him because he sided with family members who scolded mom and daughter for getting drunk at a holiday meal.
shock of admitting they wasted their entire lives is just too much to admit and deal with
Worse yet the bitterness of this knowledge will make them so spiteful that the older they get, the harder they will push to prevent the cycle from breaking. Because thinking that a new generation might not experience her regret is unbearable.
I think that's somewhat accurate, but somewhat too harsh as well. I don't think the damage women have been doing to themselves is irreversible. I also think it's unfair to paint them all as non-stop partying, whoring around, doing drugs, drinking followed by a decade of a career ladder. That type definitely exists, but it's not most women, nor is it even most leftist women. Plus, we can always take a look at Bridget Phetasy, who has had her fair share of problems, and is doing pretty OK right now. But you're correct that they lose out on that uber appeal they have due youth (on average), and finding a husband will be harder - but not at all impossible, look at the sheer number of single men out there. I also don't think it stops pair-bonding with an individual man - rather it enhances the process, because it forces an "Oh. I'm settling down now. There's shit I need to do, and I realize why I need to do it." It reminds me of the saying "There's no zealot like a convert." But she can't get that time back, and there's baggage because of it. I'd also hazard that among men, there's a somewhat similar phenemonon - it's just not tied to youth and appearance as much, in fact, at this point I'm like "Bring on my 40s! Shit, I get treated better by women, overall, the older I get."
I'm not as sure as you are on pair-bonding - because I see you're using it in a biological way, and I'm basically not familiar with that at all. But I see some of the things you mention as a positive - coming to the right conclusions in a long, poor, roundabout manner. I think the more conscientious women get in the situation we're discussing, the better it is. It's the same reason I have little patience for immature women regardless of any potential emotional attachment - they tend to remain immature, even throughout adulthood and have high expectations of others and very little expectations of themselves. Once they realize that they should have higher expectations for themselves and act moderately in accordance with that, they become a lot more attractive in general, at least to my thinking. Before that, they've basically got a huge penalty to their ability to be a girlfriend or spouse.
I think probably you have too negative a view overall of that specific type of woman - and for me, well, I probably have a bit too positive a view, so maybe in this case, the answer really is somewhere in the middle. Or potentially we're talking about different groups of women. I just haven't met or known many women, or women who had friends like that - and I live in a major city. But I've known more than enough who blindly parrot leftist talking points, believe deeply in leftist ideals that consistently let them off the hook for poor behavior, poor actions, and so on - they don't need to have taken 28 dicks by the time they're 25 for that to be the case. I see them more as the type who posts stuff on FB, or Twitter, look how happy, and successful they are - this Lauren Southern video comes to mind, except maybe 15-25% worse off than she implies.
The ones you're describing are really far off the rails - and maybe they'll come to it later or not, but I'm not so sure. The number of partners you describe, the drug use, and so on almost to me says "This isn't just leftism." Leftism can definitely lead you there, but there have been women like that on the right, or who at least would say they're on the right while not exactly being the most shining examples of the right. I only point this out to say that since things are so polarized, let's not overlook that there are things out there that contribute to this that aren't necessarily related to political ideology.
That said, if we can find more common ground rather than your examples of say, a 44 year old former feminist who had guys snorting coke off her ass since she was 16, and tone that down a bit to what I feel is more realistic, then I think there's plenty of people on the right, and men in general who will be there for them. I feel there are feminists, and there are DAMNED feminists. The latter always double downs. The prior is far less invested in it and more interested in the results - and when those results don't pan out, repeatedly, they look for something that does get them the results they want. But yeah, society is always going to have some outcasts, and after the outcasts, it's going to have those who made poor choices, then compounded them with even more poor choices. That type, regardless of gender, I don't think is going to find endings too happy.
Ironically, I feel women need their own version of Jordan Peterson. As Eric Weinstein put it, he solves the world Uncle crisis: The older, mature family member who can tell you how it really is, unlike your parents (usually), because of the parental relationship. Gives you your first beer, instead of telling you that women are special and amazing individuals who should be praised he can warn you that they're just people, they've got their ups and downs and share some stories. Women have nothing like that. They've got fucking feminism, which is like the toxic opposite of that. I've seen younger women who've gotten advice from older women about their romantic relationships - and the gist is generally that the younger women don't know how good they have it, not just for reasons of youthful appearance. And of course, the occasional advice trying to shun them away from poor romantic choices (i.e: immature men, men who are not looking for relationships but think they are, and so on). Feminism man. Hell of a drug.
Fairly accurate, but way, way too negative. Maybe it's a pre-shockwave, but Western civilization isn't going to disappear anytime soon. If only because most women prefer masculine men - the preference is that strong.
Your analysis isn't wrong - it's just pessimistic, from my perspective anyways. Feminism definitely fucks anyone who touches it regardless of gender - ten years ago there weren't anti-feminists (not to the extent of these days). Or even five years ago. Or anti-SJW, and so on.
The key here is that women truly are more miserable today than they ever were. "When the gods wish to punish us they answer our prayers." springs to mind. What women essentially received was what feminism pushed for - and boy, is it not to their liking at all in almost any way when it comes down to it. It's more like a drug that makes you feel good and the supply never runs out - but it sure as fuck runs into reality and gets the shit kicked out of it. I could write paragraphs about how it does that, but that's essentially what happens.
Just like all the lefties currently realizing "Welp, what I thought was the left isn't what it is, I need to re-adjust and oh wow, these right-wingers ain't so bad. Some are even... good. I like them." Women are having that type of reaction too, albeit slower. And they are pissed when they figure it out. Not that they're dying to be tradwives or anything - but oh hey, those basic nuclear family quasi-traditional family shit, that stuff is really good.
We're essentially waiting for the waning of power over society created by feminism and it's useful idiots. Kinda like guys who've done jack shit and it suddenly clicks for them all that it takes to have a good amount of success in life is to just put the effort in (Nike didn't choose "Just Do It" as their slogan for no reason, just sayin') and you actually get results. Not perfect ones, but far better than before.
100% true. Its has already happened. Most feminists will admit in private that their lives are fucking miserable, but the kicker is that they still think its all men's fault. Feminists are completely incapable of introspection.
Basically feminism is "sunk cost fallacy".
the sucked cocks phallucy?
Ayyyy
and if most of them got that back they would hop right back on the cock carousel without missing a beat.
But if they did it on camera then at least we could all enjoy it
Coom somewhere else, please.
This comment makes me sad, because I know several women who it describes perfectly. I have watched leftism destroy them, their future, and the future their children could have had. Instead, they have to get ever-more extreme to keep in the dating pool, much less try and keep a guy interested. And the most infuriating thing is watching their mothers approve this folly.
It's exactly what happened with Taylor Swift. She used to be an innocent country girl/farmer's daughter singing about getting married and having kids. Now she's 30, has become "thick," has no kids, owns multiple cats, is a vocal feminist, and just sings about being a whore engaging in premarital sex instead of looking for everlasting love or what have you.
I bet most people don't remember this, but feminists used to HATE Taylor Swift. That's how you knew she was doing something right... and that's probably also why she stopped doing it.
I call it "small fish, big pond" syndrome. Girl grows up in small(ish) town to decently wealthy parents. Moves to bigger town, has to put out to stay socially relevant. Moves to BIG town, is still small fish, ends up getting swallowed whole. Ends up unable to cope with fact that they are small fish in big pond, dissolves into self-destructive behavior.
Parental failings across generations is an issue I don't think gets addressed enough. With community more generally unraveling in the modern world, the role of parental guidance becomes ever more important, but there's a lot of families that aren't offering good advice to their offspring. That failure in duty is wreaking havoc on so many levels, even in good stable nuclear families that you think are doing everything right.
In this case, the failings were mostly her mother's. Her (step)dad was an excellent man, role model, wonderful guy... and her mom divorced him because he sided with family members who scolded mom and daughter for getting drunk at a holiday meal.
Worse yet the bitterness of this knowledge will make them so spiteful that the older they get, the harder they will push to prevent the cycle from breaking. Because thinking that a new generation might not experience her regret is unbearable.
Thank you for skillfully writing out one of the points I considered making but just didn't have the will to type all out.
Beautifully written and tragically correct.
I think that's somewhat accurate, but somewhat too harsh as well. I don't think the damage women have been doing to themselves is irreversible. I also think it's unfair to paint them all as non-stop partying, whoring around, doing drugs, drinking followed by a decade of a career ladder. That type definitely exists, but it's not most women, nor is it even most leftist women. Plus, we can always take a look at Bridget Phetasy, who has had her fair share of problems, and is doing pretty OK right now. But you're correct that they lose out on that uber appeal they have due youth (on average), and finding a husband will be harder - but not at all impossible, look at the sheer number of single men out there. I also don't think it stops pair-bonding with an individual man - rather it enhances the process, because it forces an "Oh. I'm settling down now. There's shit I need to do, and I realize why I need to do it." It reminds me of the saying "There's no zealot like a convert." But she can't get that time back, and there's baggage because of it. I'd also hazard that among men, there's a somewhat similar phenemonon - it's just not tied to youth and appearance as much, in fact, at this point I'm like "Bring on my 40s! Shit, I get treated better by women, overall, the older I get."
I'm not as sure as you are on pair-bonding - because I see you're using it in a biological way, and I'm basically not familiar with that at all. But I see some of the things you mention as a positive - coming to the right conclusions in a long, poor, roundabout manner. I think the more conscientious women get in the situation we're discussing, the better it is. It's the same reason I have little patience for immature women regardless of any potential emotional attachment - they tend to remain immature, even throughout adulthood and have high expectations of others and very little expectations of themselves. Once they realize that they should have higher expectations for themselves and act moderately in accordance with that, they become a lot more attractive in general, at least to my thinking. Before that, they've basically got a huge penalty to their ability to be a girlfriend or spouse.
I think probably you have too negative a view overall of that specific type of woman - and for me, well, I probably have a bit too positive a view, so maybe in this case, the answer really is somewhere in the middle. Or potentially we're talking about different groups of women. I just haven't met or known many women, or women who had friends like that - and I live in a major city. But I've known more than enough who blindly parrot leftist talking points, believe deeply in leftist ideals that consistently let them off the hook for poor behavior, poor actions, and so on - they don't need to have taken 28 dicks by the time they're 25 for that to be the case. I see them more as the type who posts stuff on FB, or Twitter, look how happy, and successful they are - this Lauren Southern video comes to mind, except maybe 15-25% worse off than she implies.
The ones you're describing are really far off the rails - and maybe they'll come to it later or not, but I'm not so sure. The number of partners you describe, the drug use, and so on almost to me says "This isn't just leftism." Leftism can definitely lead you there, but there have been women like that on the right, or who at least would say they're on the right while not exactly being the most shining examples of the right. I only point this out to say that since things are so polarized, let's not overlook that there are things out there that contribute to this that aren't necessarily related to political ideology.
That said, if we can find more common ground rather than your examples of say, a 44 year old former feminist who had guys snorting coke off her ass since she was 16, and tone that down a bit to what I feel is more realistic, then I think there's plenty of people on the right, and men in general who will be there for them. I feel there are feminists, and there are DAMNED feminists. The latter always double downs. The prior is far less invested in it and more interested in the results - and when those results don't pan out, repeatedly, they look for something that does get them the results they want. But yeah, society is always going to have some outcasts, and after the outcasts, it's going to have those who made poor choices, then compounded them with even more poor choices. That type, regardless of gender, I don't think is going to find endings too happy.
Ironically, I feel women need their own version of Jordan Peterson. As Eric Weinstein put it, he solves the world Uncle crisis: The older, mature family member who can tell you how it really is, unlike your parents (usually), because of the parental relationship. Gives you your first beer, instead of telling you that women are special and amazing individuals who should be praised he can warn you that they're just people, they've got their ups and downs and share some stories. Women have nothing like that. They've got fucking feminism, which is like the toxic opposite of that. I've seen younger women who've gotten advice from older women about their romantic relationships - and the gist is generally that the younger women don't know how good they have it, not just for reasons of youthful appearance. And of course, the occasional advice trying to shun them away from poor romantic choices (i.e: immature men, men who are not looking for relationships but think they are, and so on). Feminism man. Hell of a drug.
The problem is whores need to do this kind of stuff on camera so we can all enjoy it (of course, at age 18+ under current laws)
I can't believe I've never heard that quote before (though it is just s variation of "be careful what you wish for...")