Capeshit vs military sci fi
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Cap was fine with being held accountable. He wasn't going to abdicate his moral responsibility to a political committee.
Steve's position was that political committee or not, the power to act was in the hands of the Avengers, so the moral responsibility was theirs too.
Steve was burned by shitty orders and murky political interests in WWII and was not going to do that again. If that meant being hunted down by major government forces, then he was willing to wear that.
That is the exact opposite of refusing to be held accountable.
In contrast Tony Stark wanted to concede his moral responsibility to the government. He had made a bunch of decisions that had turned out really badly (including the creation of Ultron) and he felt guilty. He saw giving up responsibility for command decisions to some bullshit UN committee as a way to absolve himself from both the responsibility for his mistakes and the guilt that followed.
You dun goofed watching that one, guy. You got that one almost exactly backwards.
The amount of tell not show in that movie is astounding. Sure that's what they SAID but what actually happens bears little resemblance to whats said.
In other words, marvel makes bad movies
That isn't in the dialog, which is why GP missed it.
Tony is wracked with guilt because he over-reached. He wanted to build a "suit of armor around the world" and he fucked up, creating Ultron. He is the guy pressuring everyone else into signing the Zakovia accords. Zakovia, which had their capital city pancaked by Ultron.
Steve won't sign. Tony asks him who is going to hold the Avengers responsible or something like that; I'm paraphrasing. Steve refuses to sign.
Watch it again. Tony wants to abdicate responsibility and take his marching orders from the UN. Steve would rather fight the whole fucking world (including Tony) than be told what to do.
They might have worked it out, except for the machinations of Zemo.
Go and watch it again.
Genuinely. The level of interest i have in rewatching a marvel movie that isnt called Age of Ultron is virtually nill.