Still basically the same. The point is that loyalties are in question because jews always have a back door to escape in the form of israel, if they happen to fuck up anything in the non jewish host country they happen to be residing in .
you still have to formally request citizenship, which is the difference between immigration and visitation. you cannot vote in Israeli elections without citizenship, so I argue it is not basically the same.
what is the disagreement? that Israel confirms citizenship at the most basic level? because they definitely do. how else would somebody confirm their citizenship status without making a formal request?
Still basically the same. The point is that loyalties are in question because jews always have a back door to escape in the form of israel, if they happen to fuck up anything in the non jewish host country they happen to be residing in .
you still have to formally request citizenship, which is the difference between immigration and visitation. you cannot vote in Israeli elections without citizenship, so I argue it is not basically the same.
i still have to disagree sorry.
what is the disagreement? that Israel confirms citizenship at the most basic level? because they definitely do. how else would somebody confirm their citizenship status without making a formal request?
you missed my point about questionable loyalty.