Also, that they fight each other isn't proof against US backing. It's known that CIA-backed forces were fighting Pentagon-backed forces in Syria, for instance. It's all about destabilization. US helped build both AQ and ISIS, or at the very least their precursors. They've armed all these groups, and then they can't control them.
AQ and ISIS do "have ties" to US intelligence. Doesn't mean they're perfect dancing puppets or allies, but there are connections.
US builds up all these groups to fight the other groups.
You're missing the point that they build up other groups to fight ISIS.
ISIS is a particular threat. They were aggressive, effective, extremely violent, well coordinated, and well funded. That's not a group you control, that's the enemy.
And yeah, they built AQ's precursors in the Mujahadeen. But that's because no one saw Bin Laden as a threat. As for ISIS, their predecessor was AQI, which the US government spent most of it's time desperately trying to eliminate in Iraq. They were not built up by the Americans, they're enemies. Deeply personal enemies that keep directly murdering politicians, CIA agents, recruits, US soldiers, etc.
My problem is that people keep asserting that they are dancing puppets and that everything is one gigantic CIA gay op against itself. It's not. These groups are actually in a full scale war.
CIA backed groups fighting pentagon backed groups isn't a surprise because those coalitions would break down and specific units began to oppose each other. This is not the same with the CIA and AQI. There is no time they are at peace. They want each other dead.
Sorry, it sounded like you were saying that they build up ISIS and treat them no differently than any other faction in the middle east. Not that they built other groups to actually fight ISIS.
Yes they did/do.
Also, that they fight each other isn't proof against US backing. It's known that CIA-backed forces were fighting Pentagon-backed forces in Syria, for instance. It's all about destabilization. US helped build both AQ and ISIS, or at the very least their precursors. They've armed all these groups, and then they can't control them.
AQ and ISIS do "have ties" to US intelligence. Doesn't mean they're perfect dancing puppets or allies, but there are connections.
US builds up all these groups to fight the other groups.
You're missing the point that they build up other groups to fight ISIS.
ISIS is a particular threat. They were aggressive, effective, extremely violent, well coordinated, and well funded. That's not a group you control, that's the enemy.
And yeah, they built AQ's precursors in the Mujahadeen. But that's because no one saw Bin Laden as a threat. As for ISIS, their predecessor was AQI, which the US government spent most of it's time desperately trying to eliminate in Iraq. They were not built up by the Americans, they're enemies. Deeply personal enemies that keep directly murdering politicians, CIA agents, recruits, US soldiers, etc.
My problem is that people keep asserting that they are dancing puppets and that everything is one gigantic CIA gay op against itself. It's not. These groups are actually in a full scale war.
CIA backed groups fighting pentagon backed groups isn't a surprise because those coalitions would break down and specific units began to oppose each other. This is not the same with the CIA and AQI. There is no time they are at peace. They want each other dead.
No. I said that. So I'm clearly not missing the point.
Sorry, it sounded like you were saying that they build up ISIS and treat them no differently than any other faction in the middle east. Not that they built other groups to actually fight ISIS.