Ironic that an offhand joke in an otherwise equal post about telling people to "calm down" is given the defense of "plz be patient he has autism" from a man too autistic to parse a deliberate exaggeration for comedic effect.
So, I'll de-joke with you. No he shouldn't be shot over this. His position is foolish but its both not illegal to be stupid on Twitter nor does he have any true power to put this in effect (yet).
Fine, sorry, there's a lot of annoying "guess we'll just die because Trump killed us".
Yes, I do sometimes need comment broken down barney style with /s
And I'll add, he's abjectly wrong about it. He's wrong about attracting better workers (most of them aren't that good), he's wrong about attracted educated workers (most of them committed fraud), he's wrong about there being a STEM shortage (that's actually wrong & is a condemnation of the Universities). Even down to his point that labor is the primary limiting factor in the success of his innovation and companies (that's true of literally all businesses).
Frankly, people should be focusing on his original point of "educated and motivated" people. The most over-educated population in the world is de-motivated. Well, I have some good ideas about why!
It happens and for all our disagreements I appreciate we can admit these misunderstandings when they happen.
And yes, he is wrong in nearly every way about it. Only the most imbecilic of people could agree with Elon on this, or people who put money ahead of everything else and know they can make a buck on it.
But, as the point I keep trying to badger people here about on every topic shows, people can't just say that in a sincere and convincing manner. It has to be "MAGA HAS FALLEN EVERYONE ABANDON SHIP."
Only the most imbecilic of people could agree with Elon on this, or people who put money ahead of everything else and know they can make a buck on it.
I wouldn't go that far: I'd say this is very "default liberal" limited thinking. "Line go up is more good? Yes." I think, unfortunately, if you put out a survey on his position, the vast majority of people would agree. And that is a real problem that the dissident right has to contend with: a lot of good, true, and productive positions aren't shared.
I guess from a Libertarian perspective, the strongest arguments my side has is economic ones and individualist ones. We can mathematically prove that rent control doesn't work, but it doesn't mean that people won't keep voting for them.
This is why Sargon was absolutely losing his shit after seeing a YouGov poll. Not only do some people not get it, but they literally do not know any opposing argument because the overton window was closed to the point that some people believe CNN is a right wing network. Thankfully, the Fabian Society isn't based out of our capital city like in the UK, but all this shows is just how much work we have to do to, I'd hate to say it, educate people. Even on our own side.
If Reform UK has 30% of it's members supporting Feminism, and Elon believes that H1-B's are super cool, it just shows us the work we have to do, even within our own side.
I think, unfortunately, if you put out a survey on his position, the vast majority of people would agree.
Only with a lot of either ignorance or presumptions in place.
I think most people who aren't anti-white from the outset would only agree if they don't have much knowledge on the issue and fall for the easy marketing pitch he tried to sell it as at the start.
Like I said in another comment, a lot of people on the Trump side probably barely even knew H1Bs existed let alone a lot of their function and how they are used until this blew up. Its one of those sections of immigration that is often not discussed outside the very narrow "tech but also right wing" circles compared to things like border hoppers and "visa overstayers."
I think the vast majority of voters on Trump's side would be against it if you just sat them down and gave them a short explanation of it. Which is one reason why Musk, and his big name supporters, went for the "FUCK YOU' response so quickly.
Because if people think about it beyond the 10 second blurb of "we want the best and greatest to MAGA" that they were leaning on, it falls apart completely. Its a position built entirely on ignorance to succeed.
Ironic that an offhand joke in an otherwise equal post about telling people to "calm down" is given the defense of "plz be patient he has autism" from a man too autistic to parse a deliberate exaggeration for comedic effect.
So, I'll de-joke with you. No he shouldn't be shot over this. His position is foolish but its both not illegal to be stupid on Twitter nor does he have any true power to put this in effect (yet).
Fine, sorry, there's a lot of annoying "guess we'll just die because Trump killed us".
Yes, I do sometimes need comment broken down barney style with /s
And I'll add, he's abjectly wrong about it. He's wrong about attracting better workers (most of them aren't that good), he's wrong about attracted educated workers (most of them committed fraud), he's wrong about there being a STEM shortage (that's actually wrong & is a condemnation of the Universities). Even down to his point that labor is the primary limiting factor in the success of his innovation and companies (that's true of literally all businesses).
Frankly, people should be focusing on his original point of "educated and motivated" people. The most over-educated population in the world is de-motivated. Well, I have some good ideas about why!
It happens and for all our disagreements I appreciate we can admit these misunderstandings when they happen.
And yes, he is wrong in nearly every way about it. Only the most imbecilic of people could agree with Elon on this, or people who put money ahead of everything else and know they can make a buck on it.
But, as the point I keep trying to badger people here about on every topic shows, people can't just say that in a sincere and convincing manner. It has to be "MAGA HAS FALLEN EVERYONE ABANDON SHIP."
I wouldn't go that far: I'd say this is very "default liberal" limited thinking. "Line go up is more good? Yes." I think, unfortunately, if you put out a survey on his position, the vast majority of people would agree. And that is a real problem that the dissident right has to contend with: a lot of good, true, and productive positions aren't shared.
I guess from a Libertarian perspective, the strongest arguments my side has is economic ones and individualist ones. We can mathematically prove that rent control doesn't work, but it doesn't mean that people won't keep voting for them.
This is why Sargon was absolutely losing his shit after seeing a YouGov poll. Not only do some people not get it, but they literally do not know any opposing argument because the overton window was closed to the point that some people believe CNN is a right wing network. Thankfully, the Fabian Society isn't based out of our capital city like in the UK, but all this shows is just how much work we have to do to, I'd hate to say it, educate people. Even on our own side.
If Reform UK has 30% of it's members supporting Feminism, and Elon believes that H1-B's are super cool, it just shows us the work we have to do, even within our own side.
Only with a lot of either ignorance or presumptions in place.
I think most people who aren't anti-white from the outset would only agree if they don't have much knowledge on the issue and fall for the easy marketing pitch he tried to sell it as at the start.
Like I said in another comment, a lot of people on the Trump side probably barely even knew H1Bs existed let alone a lot of their function and how they are used until this blew up. Its one of those sections of immigration that is often not discussed outside the very narrow "tech but also right wing" circles compared to things like border hoppers and "visa overstayers."
I think the vast majority of voters on Trump's side would be against it if you just sat them down and gave them a short explanation of it. Which is one reason why Musk, and his big name supporters, went for the "FUCK YOU' response so quickly.
Because if people think about it beyond the 10 second blurb of "we want the best and greatest to MAGA" that they were leaning on, it falls apart completely. Its a position built entirely on ignorance to succeed.