Also, since when does "the right to self-determination" come with a guarantee of an ethno-state
Since it was invented. That's what that meant. A people's right of self-political determination meant that a government had to be formed which was the full representation of it's nation. This is the concept of a Nation State, which (outside of a Liberal Civic National state), is literally just an Ethno-State. The Left never recognized Religious States as legitimate. The Left reversed course on Nationalism and don't want to admit that most Nationalist movements were done by the political Left for anti-Colonialism at the time. They do want to claim that Nationalism caused wars, but this was in response to the fact that the political Left's concept of Nation States meant that each government would just declare that a member of an ethnic group in a different country meant that their government had a legitimate claim to that land. This caused major population displacement, and fairly arbitrary justifications for land-grabs. They just don't want it to be clear that they were the ones doing it. Hell, the Zionist & Palestinian movements is literally the same concept.
I don't think it's as explicitly simple as the Progressives make it out to be. I think it's not really even a relevant issue so long as a government represents it's citizenry. Worse the Left applies this selectively and choses which groups should be doing this, which shouldn't, and what groups are real groups, and what groups aren't.
It doesn't make sense to me to abolish the UK because Wales isn't a separate country; or worse: that Northern Ireland isn't a separate country. If we run by the actual concept of what the Progressives are saying, the UK should be broken up into dozens of different states. The US should probably be over a thousand different countries.
This is, of course, nonsense. In reality, the Left picks and chooses arbitrarily. This is basically what happened with Germany in the Interwar period. Technically, Germans are made up of dozens of different ethnicities. But, we declare that "German" is the real ethnic group, not Bravarian. Also, Austrian isn't real, and is actually German. But Danish is a separate group from Germans, and the Danes are oppressing Germany, so we can invade.
The whole "self-determination" concept as the Progressives apply it, is just another rhetorical device to conquer, just like everything else they do.
Since it was invented. That's what that meant. A people's right of self-political determination meant that a government had to be formed which was the full representation of it's nation. This is the concept of a Nation State, which (outside of a Liberal Civic National state), is literally just an Ethno-State. The Left never recognized Religious States as legitimate. The Left reversed course on Nationalism and don't want to admit that most Nationalist movements were done by the political Left for anti-Colonialism at the time. They do want to claim that Nationalism caused wars, but this was in response to the fact that the political Left's concept of Nation States meant that each government would just declare that a member of an ethnic group in a different country meant that their government had a legitimate claim to that land. This caused major population displacement, and fairly arbitrary justifications for land-grabs. They just don't want it to be clear that they were the ones doing it. Hell, the Zionist & Palestinian movements is literally the same concept.
Be a Progressive Nationalist.
So you don't believe in a right to self determination then...?
I don't think it's as explicitly simple as the Progressives make it out to be. I think it's not really even a relevant issue so long as a government represents it's citizenry. Worse the Left applies this selectively and choses which groups should be doing this, which shouldn't, and what groups are real groups, and what groups aren't.
It doesn't make sense to me to abolish the UK because Wales isn't a separate country; or worse: that Northern Ireland isn't a separate country. If we run by the actual concept of what the Progressives are saying, the UK should be broken up into dozens of different states. The US should probably be over a thousand different countries.
This is, of course, nonsense. In reality, the Left picks and chooses arbitrarily. This is basically what happened with Germany in the Interwar period. Technically, Germans are made up of dozens of different ethnicities. But, we declare that "German" is the real ethnic group, not Bravarian. Also, Austrian isn't real, and is actually German. But Danish is a separate group from Germans, and the Danes are oppressing Germany, so we can invade.
The whole "self-determination" concept as the Progressives apply it, is just another rhetorical device to conquer, just like everything else they do.