There's a lesson hiding in plain sight:

Locals receive uninspected illegal aliens, armed, carrying unknown diseases, speaking a foreign language, bringing an incompatible culture and religion.

Locals help them, feed them and teach them how to survive.

Illegals bring more illegals from their motherland.

Fast forward a few hundred years.

Locals have basically gone extinct.

My grandfather gifted me a set of books called Frontiersmen of New York and he kind of raised his eyebrows at me and said it was a real history that might surprise me. He died before I would read it (feels bad) but when I did I found that it was a collection of interviews with people who were only a generation or two away from those who settled New York. The oldest people told stories about their parents. Many if not most stories featured the natives, not through direct description, but by the descriptions of consequences like the deaths of family and community members, and it was really gruesome and eye opening to read these people's words because their perspective is never proffered by media, ever.

Neat story.

How many of us here had ancestors that were part of this movement?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Quakers

In Bowden’s History of the Society of Friends in America, it is mentioned that “two English Friends, named Christopher Holden and John Copeland came to Sandwhich on the 20th of the 6th month” of 1657[31] and there they found friends of toleration and resisters of an oppressive law in Daniel Wing, the son of John Wing and Deborah Bachiler, and grandson of Stephen Bachiler. Daniel Wing and his brother Stephen Wing and others resisted an oppressive law in the town of Sandwhich which publicly punished men and women by whipping, for “meetings at private houses, for encouraging others in holding meetings, for entertaining the preachers and for the unworthy speeches”. By 1658, Daniel Wing, with others who acted with him, became active converts and there were 18 families who recorded their names in the documents of the society. Writers of 1658-1660 said “We have two strong places in this land, the one at Newport and the other at Sandwhich; almost the whole town of Sandwhich is adhering towards them” and the records of the Monthly Meetings of Friends show that the Sandwhich Monthly Meeting was the first established in America.

My family didnt come over on the mayflower, but likely on the William and Frances with stephen bachiler who is considered the father of the quaker movement. It was accepted for hundreds of years that john the reverend in england was married to stephen bachilers daughter, but theres been a concentrated effort these last few years to claim thats false.

Part of the problem with these records is they kept them all stored in one location which burnt down at some point so many documents were lost. It was then people decided to start storing copies in different buildings.

This guy is wild, I dont know how you turn the mayflower journey into a socialist experiment.

Ranting about organic vegatbles, maybe this is going over my head, but wasnt everything organic then lmao.

Also people arent motivated to work very hard when they dont get more. Yeah, I dont think the life and death part had any thing to do with motivating these people?

My ancestors did just fine in the woods alone with the indians strangely enough.

It was mainly the church, the merchants, and the royal family that wanted to kill these people and take their shit. I feel pretty confident saying at this point I identify more with indians than I do any mainstream normy.

The mayflower was also not the first colony. Technically roanoke was?

The Roanoke Colony was an attempt by Sir Walter Raleigh to found the first permanent English settlement in North America. The colony was founded in 1585, but when it was visited by a ship in 1590, the colonists had inexplicably disappeared. It has come to be known as the Lost Colony, and the fate of the 112 to 121 colonists remains unknown.

You also got to remember, by the time these people made it over here, the french and the spanish had already been there for a while mapping routes and making deals. The fur trade and spice trade is where most of the money was generated.

The indians taught the pilgrims to bury their corn to keep it from breaking down during the winter, the idea is to have a surplus in case shit goes wrong and you need extra food. As well as a good stock for next years plantings.

I dont think it was the socialism that almost killed these people. They werent prepared for the winters that are nothing like we have now.

The WFA (wing family of america) still owns one of the oldest forts from that time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_Fort_House

In fact, I think it was john wing(jr), who was going to lose his property and stuff for supporting the quaker movement, so he claimed he died and transferred the property to his children.

Doesnt really sound like socialism to me?