Joker 2: Omelette du Fromage
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In fairness, Ms. Quinzell might go with that, and Ivy is such a fucking psycho-man-hater that she might too.
Harley Quinn has only had any lesbian suggestion to her character since the same hacks that ruined it in all the other ways started writing. I mean, take out her terribly executed, unnecessary, generally awful “redemption” arc(s), and the actual character is defined by her romantic and sexual obsession with a man. I think even Poison Ivy used to be less “feminist man hater” and more “pure eco nut.” Doesn’t she flirt with Batman/find him attractive in a lot of her pre-modern/woke appearances?
I'm just saying that Harley Quinn is literally a lunatic that might actually rape someone.
I think Ivy was always pretty much both. She's not a lesbian, and she does hate men, but she hates all people. She's a femme fatal that likes to manipulate men with sexuality because she wants to kill them or enslave them.
She's actually quite evil.
That's why I actually didn't originally hate the idea of Harley and Ivy.
Ivy's a seductress who would wouldn't think twice about using that tactic towards any human because that's her go-to. Harley's damaged, dependent and if the Joker isn't around would emotionally latch on to someone showing her superficial affection to fill that void. The dynamic actually works.
Where they fucked up is trying to portray that as some girl-power healthy relationship instead of the toxic and exploitative thing that it would be.
Yeah, the unfortunate truth is that someone like Ivy would probably end up physically or sexually abusing someone like Harley, just as much as the joker did. I feel like the Joker liked Harley and got something out of their relationship, even if he was an evil abuser. I don't think Ivy would have gotten anything out of her. She's, frankly, too malevolent.
On a full side note, I think one character that's only done occasionally right is Killer Croc. I like the idea that, really, he's kind of a standard, low IQ, violent criminal. Just in a Crocodile like form. Like, if he wasn't a mutant, he'd just be another violent, street-urchin, thug on the streets of Gotham. He's like a lot of criminals: he's a pissed off, emotionally unstable, resentful, violent, mess who really contributes more to his own suffering than anyone else.