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JD Vance refuses to accept the fake fact check and calls out the moderators on it so they shut his mic. Incredible (twitter.com)
posted 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend 1 year ago by SophiesBoyfriend +157 / -0
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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

theoretically I don't have issue with live fact checking. however, the fact check would have to come from an actually neutral source that is actually interested in the truth.

the moderators in these debates are blatantly running cover for the Democrat candidate, and I don't really trust any media institution to do differently.

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– AccountWasFree 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

"Fact checking" is explicitly antithetical to the nature of a debate though. The whole point is that both sides are meant to argue for their points and against their opponents. That isn't the role of the moderator, it's the role of the people debating.

There's no kind way of sugar-coating it: stop conceding ground.

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

without a live fact check, the winning strategy in a debate is Gish Gallop.

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– AccountWasFree 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

And so you rightfully address that as a form of improper decorum within a debate setting. Why are we relying on a third party to make the arguments on behalf of the debaters? If the debaters cannot handle themselves, that is a failure of the debaters.

Also, weren't you the one that suggested the idea of rigid time limits which is far more susceptible to the abuse of Gish Galloping?

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– ApparentlyImAHeretic 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

I also conceited that rigid time limits are not perfect, just better than what was presented.

As far as life fact check goes, there is a difference between arguing a point and making a false assertion. A proper and truly neutral live fact check would shut down false assertions, allowing the debaters to focus purely on arguing points.

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