Getting them to undermine their own argument, often times defeating it for me just to stay contrarian? Works surprisingly often.
Getting amusement? Works nearly everytime, and when it doesn't its because I fuck up and get a lesson to learn from.
Actually accomplishing anything? Never, people here are as NPC brained as most Leftists and cannot deviate from their programming enough to even engage with an argument outside of repeating buzzwords, points they got from Talking Heads, and doing everything to avoid admitting fault.
Ah, then not the definition of worked I was hoping for.
I do miss the old timers that were more for debating, few that they were. (even if I never participated)
Or perhaps that is just nostalgia, haha
Still it is a shame that people do not try to think about the talking heads are saying, to find flaws in it and adjust their view accordingly. (although the few talking heads I have talked to have similar problems.) I have had to do it many times and places such as this should be the best place to lose, since you are a nobody and there is no prestige to gain here, nor any worthwhile fame, nor comrades to truly lose. It is as little risk such a thing can have and still possibly hone it. Yet they cling to it. Why does the internet nomadic style not help them shed it?
They should release that each time they are shipwrecked that their past ideas does not matter nor their reputation and by now they should have wandered through many fields of ideas, which some should have influenced them? Is true humility something you are born with? Or is something only the beaten learn, haha
Just ignore my rambling, I just needed to type it out.
We can't have debates anymore because everything has become a virtue signal. Even in niche little shitholes like this, that have zero value, people are obsessed with making sure you know how much they hate the Jews (to use one example, it fits with any label really) and how every thing in existence is Jews.
No questions, no thinking. Just waiting for the next guy to say "actually it was even more Woke than you just said!" as he quotes some random screenshot and then every claps like seals.
And if you point out their source is flawed and doesn't make sense they will flip shit and accuse you of defending women and being a simp and yadayada. Even if you agreed the idea seemed possible, but the source saying it wasn't trustworthy and likely just grifting. They don't want to engage with the idea, they just want to be applauded for saying Nigger the loudest. And they've wrapped their ego and self-worth in being the rebel who says it, which means you questioning them is an actual attack.
Even someone who is educated and capable of debate, like Gitzortnik, will simply start shouting "STORMFAG STORMFAG" at you for trying to engage him on the topic, because his ego is that wrapped in being "the voice of reason" here about it.
Yes Gitzortnik change is most unsettling that even he has closed rank and virtue signal when he was encouraging to debate the hr at work (If I remember correctly) in a proper setting and situation ofc.
"And they've wrapped their ego and self-worth in being the rebel who says it"
But why have they gone that path? Is it that the actual psyops are breaking people even here and so the need something to cling to in order to hold fast? or is the infiltration of new fags that has converted to old guard that only fire can meet fire? Or were there only bots at the end, haha.
My current theory of behavior is that people are at the stage where knowledge no longer is gathered and instead only trying to rile or find common ground/sanctuary/Staging ground (What do call place in order to gain hype and recuperate?) since to most even if they do not say this election seems to be where it is decided according to their tales on what the next action will be and weather it is a major one. (even tough personally I believe there is quite a bit more to this tale before we get into the end and beginning of something new)
Do tell me if I am completely of the chart here.
Ending with a passing quote, haha
My Armor is Contempt My Shield is Disgust My Sword is Hatred In The Emperor’s Name Let None Survive
I'll respond to most anything, its how these long arguments usually end up happening.
But why have they gone that path?
Because its human to do so. Everyone wants to be the underdog, everyone wants to be special, and everyone wants to be right. It takes constant self reflection, self-forced humility, and a willingness to break rank regardless of embarrassment to stave off our own subconscious turning us into that.
Its even more rampant right now, because the cultural/political landscape is heavily team based. Us vs them. You can't have a nuanced or third position because that's just letting the Evil side get stronger through inaction. So everyone is pushing each other to the extremes to try and become the "overwhelming force" they think is necessary to defeat the other side.
You are probably correct in that gathering knowledge is discouraged, instead knowledge is just meant to be a bludgeon to prove how enlightened you are, and if you can be the one to say "ackshually Greece/Rome was super homophobic, you been psyopped into thinking otherwise" then you become the most "knowledgable" and thereby the winner.
Getting them to undermine their own argument, often times defeating it for me just to stay contrarian? Works surprisingly often.
Getting amusement? Works nearly everytime, and when it doesn't its because I fuck up and get a lesson to learn from.
Actually accomplishing anything? Never, people here are as NPC brained as most Leftists and cannot deviate from their programming enough to even engage with an argument outside of repeating buzzwords, points they got from Talking Heads, and doing everything to avoid admitting fault.
Ah, then not the definition of worked I was hoping for.
I do miss the old timers that were more for debating, few that they were. (even if I never participated) Or perhaps that is just nostalgia, haha
Still it is a shame that people do not try to think about the talking heads are saying, to find flaws in it and adjust their view accordingly. (although the few talking heads I have talked to have similar problems.) I have had to do it many times and places such as this should be the best place to lose, since you are a nobody and there is no prestige to gain here, nor any worthwhile fame, nor comrades to truly lose. It is as little risk such a thing can have and still possibly hone it. Yet they cling to it. Why does the internet nomadic style not help them shed it? They should release that each time they are shipwrecked that their past ideas does not matter nor their reputation and by now they should have wandered through many fields of ideas, which some should have influenced them? Is true humility something you are born with? Or is something only the beaten learn, haha
Just ignore my rambling, I just needed to type it out.
We can't have debates anymore because everything has become a virtue signal. Even in niche little shitholes like this, that have zero value, people are obsessed with making sure you know how much they hate the Jews (to use one example, it fits with any label really) and how every thing in existence is Jews.
No questions, no thinking. Just waiting for the next guy to say "actually it was even more Woke than you just said!" as he quotes some random screenshot and then every claps like seals.
And if you point out their source is flawed and doesn't make sense they will flip shit and accuse you of defending women and being a simp and yadayada. Even if you agreed the idea seemed possible, but the source saying it wasn't trustworthy and likely just grifting. They don't want to engage with the idea, they just want to be applauded for saying Nigger the loudest. And they've wrapped their ego and self-worth in being the rebel who says it, which means you questioning them is an actual attack.
Even someone who is educated and capable of debate, like Gitzortnik, will simply start shouting "STORMFAG STORMFAG" at you for trying to engage him on the topic, because his ego is that wrapped in being "the voice of reason" here about it.
I did not expect a response tbh.
Yes Gitzortnik change is most unsettling that even he has closed rank and virtue signal when he was encouraging to debate the hr at work (If I remember correctly) in a proper setting and situation ofc.
But why have they gone that path? Is it that the actual psyops are breaking people even here and so the need something to cling to in order to hold fast? or is the infiltration of new fags that has converted to old guard that only fire can meet fire? Or were there only bots at the end, haha.
My current theory of behavior is that people are at the stage where knowledge no longer is gathered and instead only trying to rile or find common ground/sanctuary/Staging ground (What do call place in order to gain hype and recuperate?) since to most even if they do not say this election seems to be where it is decided according to their tales on what the next action will be and weather it is a major one. (even tough personally I believe there is quite a bit more to this tale before we get into the end and beginning of something new)
Do tell me if I am completely of the chart here.
Ending with a passing quote, haha
I'll respond to most anything, its how these long arguments usually end up happening.
Because its human to do so. Everyone wants to be the underdog, everyone wants to be special, and everyone wants to be right. It takes constant self reflection, self-forced humility, and a willingness to break rank regardless of embarrassment to stave off our own subconscious turning us into that.
Its even more rampant right now, because the cultural/political landscape is heavily team based. Us vs them. You can't have a nuanced or third position because that's just letting the Evil side get stronger through inaction. So everyone is pushing each other to the extremes to try and become the "overwhelming force" they think is necessary to defeat the other side.
You are probably correct in that gathering knowledge is discouraged, instead knowledge is just meant to be a bludgeon to prove how enlightened you are, and if you can be the one to say "ackshually Greece/Rome was super homophobic, you been psyopped into thinking otherwise" then you become the most "knowledgable" and thereby the winner.