Something that has been on my mind quite a bit over the last few years has been the shift in fashion trends, not just with clothing and the like but with body styles. If you were born in the 80s or earlier, you are old enough to remember when what was considered attractive now was not attractive then, especially if you're White. If you grew up in the 80s, 90s and very early 00s you might remember who the"hot" female stars of the day were.
Women who looked like
Feminine, slender, fit, lithe, tight, and tiny. We called them spinners and had phrases like "an ass so tight you could bounce a quarter off of it".
And yet, now the beauty standard among even White women is more like
Obviously something happened in the last few decades. Now we all know fashion trends and what is considered attractive culturally does shift naturally over time, though it's usually in spans of centuries. But it's suspicious to me that this transition took place at the same time black culture was deliberately starting to be pushed into the spotlight. The DEI push started gaining steam about 15-20 years ago, it's only become more overt and aggressive now that they've gained enough institutional power. But the push to make black sports stars, black actors, black music, etc all the most popular really started to get going in the mid/late 00s. Right around the collapse of the last punk/alternative music era where real genuine bands with real musicians and instruments got pushed into a more niche interest and rappers and autotune started taking over. I'm sure many of us who are old enough noticed the change and can think of more examples. But it's gotten bad enough that if you tell some people you still find the first group attractive and the second gross, you might be accused of being a pedo or liking girls who look like little boys.
My question is, do you think it was deliberately pushed on us by the malicious powers that be, or was it just a natural shift, like as Americans got fatter in general, fatter women who at least kind of wear it better than a blob became the new beauty standard? A bit of both? Any other reasons or factors you might think contributed to it? It just seems odd to me that as blacks and their standards were forced into everything else, even White women started to want to look like black women just with lighter skin. You'd never have heard of the latest "it girl" in a mid 90s summer teen comedy or slasher movie wanting to get ass implants, much less find a White high school boy in 1997 who wanted a girl who had them. We wanted volleyball players and the cheerleaders at the top of the pyramid, not twerkers and ghetto chicks. "Thick"(we still spelled it correctly back then) was a positive adjective for black chicks and the black dudes who liked them, and they were welcome to keep it to themselves. But that was then, and it's not that way now, even for a ton of White men. Why though?
This is a multifaceted problem.
On the one hand the women in the below examples are grotesquely obese. That is as you suggested a deliberate nudge of standards, towards lower body obesity that is extremely common in black women. It's a deliberately degenerated standard.
But then we have picture number 2 of the above examples. I know who a couple of those women are, namely Gellar and Lavigne. Those two are still curvy and feminine. The second picture has hips like a teenage boy.
That is also the same problem but in a different direction. Another degenerated standard of beauty, in this case something pushed by gays who tend towards predation of little boys.
Overall you're right, these things are not naturally occuring shifts in standards.
Strong disagree. Absolutely nobody anywhere of any influence is pushing girls to be slender and lithe anymore. If you're talking about pushing girls into transing themselves, that is a different issue entirely. That is pushed by the queers, but this topic is not about that. This is about the standards of beauty for straight men and what those straight men find attractive in straight women, and what those straight women want to look like. In 2024, and really since about 2008~10ish, the universally recognized standard in the west has become that in order for a woman to be attractive, she has to have the body of a black woman, or at very least the body of an overweight Latina woman, while working towards having the body of a black woman. The standard of wanting women to look like, and women themselves wanting to look like, what was attractive in the 90s, is met with exactly the attitude you suggested. That the person must want them to look like little boys. Absolute balderdash.
I was a White teenage boy in the mid 90s, and we liked tiny little volleyball and cheerleader type girls, not other boys our age. We knew of the black attraction to 'junk in the trunk' and thought it was repulsive. And given by the famous people I posted (and I can keep going by the way. Allison Hannigan, Larisa Oleynik, Hillary Duff, Hayden Panettiere...) who all looked pretty much just like that, it wasn't just me and my little group of friends in the midwest who had that same standard for white girls. The hot little blonde or brunette the captain of the football team our homecoming queen was able to pick up with one hand and set on one side of his shoulders was considered the hottest chick in the school 999 times out of 1000. It was the national standard of beauty for white teenage guys from at least the early 90s when I started noticing girls until the mid to late 2000s. And looking back at older movies, pictures, bands, a lot of standards shifted around in fashion and even body type somewhat for white girls for many many decades before my youth, but one thing you will never see being popular in the '80s, 70s, 60s, 50s, 40s, 30s, and beyond is white women wanting to have an ass that looks like a black chick from the projects and makes up a quarter of her body weight. And yet, now that is the standard.
My question is whether the cultural pressure to have white women look like black women is simply because everyone is getting more obese, and black women have always been more obese(with a lot of it going to their ass) anyways, so it's sort of a coincidence, or if it's a deliberate attempt to erase what used to be a unique White standard and replace it with a black one.
Not now, but it used to be so. See f.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin_chic
Heroin chic reminds me of Mugatu's Derelict homeless fashion line from Zoolander