Religion represents the formalization of our interactions with the world which is larger than us. Science was developed as a tool to further that relationship, yet has been hijacked by (p)rofessionals to be abused as a source of power. They deceived themselves into believing that it was actually possible to "fool" the whole world because it just took a few generations until the consequences of deriving power from such pure hearted work manifested in their eyes with nuclear weapons.
No God, no objective morality. No objective morality and we're left with things our group likes and things our group doesn't like. As groups fragment, we're eventually left with individuals determining what's right for themselves, and the utter collapse of civilization.
If you truly understood how incredibly depraved a universe without God would be, you would do everything in your power to convince people that God existed just so that you could eke out a tolerable life before the heat death of the universe inevitably destroyed all traces of your existence. Luckily, you live in an ordered universe where good and evil exist and there are both physical and spiritual repercussions for violating said order.
If you truly believe there is no God, stop worrying about the fate of your nation. It doesn't matter in the end anyway. Instead, embrace your loved ones before they cease to exist. Enjoy what little pleasure you can before you succumb to the void. Or don't, I guess. Once you expire and the universe eventually resets itself, it will be as if you never existed in the first place anyway.
There is objective morality, yes, yet our failing lies in our inability to perfectly express this morality by any means yet known to man. God does not fail, but languages created by men do fail.
"Also, your claim is that objective morality is only possible as a matter of faith? Objectivity is faith, that's your argument? Pffft."
What in the absolute fuck does this even mean? If you'd like to debate me, make a point. Attempting to insult me and creating the most outlandish strawman I've ever seen instead of actually challenging my ideas makes you an ignorant child that can't accept the truth.
I'm sorry that you've failed to develop your mind to the point of being able to discuss rudimentary philosophical ideas, but that's a you problem.
Honestly I've heard Christians say the inverse a plenty, That sense Heaven exists fuck the real world, So my view is that sense there is no proof of an after life, we should secure things for our kin, as the Mythos of Blood as it were is the reality of the world, I want a better world for myself and those who come after me.
Most likely misguided evangelicals. Be aware that the vast majority of Christians world wide have an actually biblical view that we are called to be stewards of the earth.
I'm curious, why do you feel the need to secure the future of mankind? The fact is, there is no future for mankind. Even if human beings managed to evade extinction for the next 100 million years, we will become extinct. Even if we somehow manage to become "immortal" the universe will either reset (thus destroying all life) or will succumb to heat death (and thus destroy all matter, including life). Whether the universe ends tomorrow or in 18 quadrillion years, all of the "good" (which cannot truly exist in your view) you accomplish in your life will inevitably be undone and will, in fact, be as if it never happened in the first place. Your struggle against the inevitable might sound noble, but truthfully...it's retarded
I've heard plenty say it, Main one that comes to mind is a Cath friend of mine (In seminary BTW), and that's simple, while things may end, I wish for the world I desire to exist, so that this way those that come after can have it and my enemies may be kept from rising again for the longest, while nothing is forever, a victory is grand regardless.
The letter on it's own was used very early on to represent the (P)riest class, which actually appears to be functionally identical to the (P)rofesional class of the modern world, used as a source of expert authority for interpreting everything from natural phenomena to law.
Religion represents the formalization of our interactions with the world which is larger than us. Science was developed as a tool to further that relationship, yet has been hijacked by (p)rofessionals to be abused as a source of power. They deceived themselves into believing that it was actually possible to "fool" the whole world because it just took a few generations until the consequences of deriving power from such pure hearted work manifested in their eyes with nuclear weapons.
No God, no objective morality. No objective morality and we're left with things our group likes and things our group doesn't like. As groups fragment, we're eventually left with individuals determining what's right for themselves, and the utter collapse of civilization.
If you truly understood how incredibly depraved a universe without God would be, you would do everything in your power to convince people that God existed just so that you could eke out a tolerable life before the heat death of the universe inevitably destroyed all traces of your existence. Luckily, you live in an ordered universe where good and evil exist and there are both physical and spiritual repercussions for violating said order.
If you truly believe there is no God, stop worrying about the fate of your nation. It doesn't matter in the end anyway. Instead, embrace your loved ones before they cease to exist. Enjoy what little pleasure you can before you succumb to the void. Or don't, I guess. Once you expire and the universe eventually resets itself, it will be as if you never existed in the first place anyway.
There is objective morality, yes, yet our failing lies in our inability to perfectly express this morality by any means yet known to man. God does not fail, but languages created by men do fail.
The Catechism already exists.
The arrogance. You sound like a muslim. These holier-than-thou rants always makes you clowns look exactly like your religious enemies.
Also, your claim is that objective morality is only possible as a matter of faith? Objectivity is faith, that's your argument? Pffft.
"Also, your claim is that objective morality is only possible as a matter of faith? Objectivity is faith, that's your argument? Pffft."
What in the absolute fuck does this even mean? If you'd like to debate me, make a point. Attempting to insult me and creating the most outlandish strawman I've ever seen instead of actually challenging my ideas makes you an ignorant child that can't accept the truth.
I'm sorry that you've failed to develop your mind to the point of being able to discuss rudimentary philosophical ideas, but that's a you problem.
Honestly I've heard Christians say the inverse a plenty, That sense Heaven exists fuck the real world, So my view is that sense there is no proof of an after life, we should secure things for our kin, as the Mythos of Blood as it were is the reality of the world, I want a better world for myself and those who come after me.
Most likely misguided evangelicals. Be aware that the vast majority of Christians world wide have an actually biblical view that we are called to be stewards of the earth.
I'm curious, why do you feel the need to secure the future of mankind? The fact is, there is no future for mankind. Even if human beings managed to evade extinction for the next 100 million years, we will become extinct. Even if we somehow manage to become "immortal" the universe will either reset (thus destroying all life) or will succumb to heat death (and thus destroy all matter, including life). Whether the universe ends tomorrow or in 18 quadrillion years, all of the "good" (which cannot truly exist in your view) you accomplish in your life will inevitably be undone and will, in fact, be as if it never happened in the first place. Your struggle against the inevitable might sound noble, but truthfully...it's retarded
I've heard plenty say it, Main one that comes to mind is a Cath friend of mine (In seminary BTW), and that's simple, while things may end, I wish for the world I desire to exist, so that this way those that come after can have it and my enemies may be kept from rising again for the longest, while nothing is forever, a victory is grand regardless.
Serious question: Why emphasize the P in professionals? I don't get it.
The letter on it's own was used very early on to represent the (P)riest class, which actually appears to be functionally identical to the (P)rofesional class of the modern world, used as a source of expert authority for interpreting everything from natural phenomena to law.