I just responded to someone who recognised genetic markers which could indicate that she was Jewish (I don't know much about them but it was said with enough specific points that I'm willing to accept that they are remarkable) which when coupled with her defensiveness could indicate that she does feel defensive, on a personal level, about being Jewish and not white.
I've always presumed most Jews to be white and am now querying why she would be against white people in power and not recognise them as being Jewish. It seems an odd dodge when it is very clear that many of the most publicly recognisable people in the power houses of the US are within the wider Jewish community.
Are there two types of white people or do the Jewish community not seen themselves as white?
Are there two types of white people or do the Jewish community not seen themselves as white?
I can't speak for "the Jewish community" but from what I have observed, there are a significant number of them who are happy to shit all over white people -- "wow, we white people sure do suck, right?" as long as it's in the abstract, but as soon as someone talks about them personally, e.g. "hey, you're white, why don't you give up your job since diversity is so important?" it quickly becomes "well I'm not white, I'm Jewish."
Or there are public figures like Ben Shapiro who revels in all of the anti Semitism that he receives (when probably 90+% of it is just him being shit talked because he's a giant douche) and uses that as evidence that Jewish people and Israel need special treatment because reasons.
Then there are dudes like Viva Frei or Glenn Greenwald who, as far as I can tell, don't do the whole racial collective blame thing at all and also don't even buy into the whole "wow, look at all this anti Semitism everywhere" panic. Hell, I've stopped watching Greenwald as often because he talks about the poor Palestinians and evil Israel way too much and I just don't care about it.
So there are all types. The first type does seem to be disproportionately represented in the "white/native people (except Israelis) bad" crowd.
It certainly does seem like a metaphorical minefield regarding a unified identity as many US Jews are against Israel's attacks on the Palestinian territories (From what I have gleaned from some news outlets) and so a polarity seems to exist within the overall group of people who identify that way (Genetically or otherwise).
I accept that those of student years are looking to rebel against anything and so discount them mostly from that message but there are enough older people who are Jewish speaking out against the atrocities in both Israel and the US regarding the Palestine situation.
Do you think there is a divide amongst Jewish people outside of Israel as to what the correct course of action is for the Jewish identity or will tradition and culture come back after the situation is no longer in the news and Israel's next problem is how to expand its boarders further?
Do you think there is a divide amongst Jewish people outside of Israel
Well yeah, as I mentioned, you've got Shapiro being pro-Israel and Greenwald being vocally anti-Israel.
But I don't really care about that. You'll have to ask them. I mostly just have a loathing for the people in the first category I mentioned. Nearly as much as I have a loathing for the white people who hate white people but think/claim, "I'm one of the good ones. Hate them, not me."
*edit: also, for the record, I apply that standard to just about any group of people. For example, back in 2014, I learned that the "wow, gamers sure are awful, aren't we?" people were, by far, the worst people associated with the hobby.
I just responded to someone who recognised genetic markers which could indicate that she was Jewish (I don't know much about them but it was said with enough specific points that I'm willing to accept that they are remarkable) which when coupled with her defensiveness could indicate that she does feel defensive, on a personal level, about being Jewish and not white.
I've always presumed most Jews to be white and am now querying why she would be against white people in power and not recognise them as being Jewish. It seems an odd dodge when it is very clear that many of the most publicly recognisable people in the power houses of the US are within the wider Jewish community.
Are there two types of white people or do the Jewish community not seen themselves as white?
I can't speak for "the Jewish community" but from what I have observed, there are a significant number of them who are happy to shit all over white people -- "wow, we white people sure do suck, right?" as long as it's in the abstract, but as soon as someone talks about them personally, e.g. "hey, you're white, why don't you give up your job since diversity is so important?" it quickly becomes "well I'm not white, I'm Jewish."
Or there are public figures like Ben Shapiro who revels in all of the anti Semitism that he receives (when probably 90+% of it is just him being shit talked because he's a giant douche) and uses that as evidence that Jewish people and Israel need special treatment because reasons.
Then there are dudes like Viva Frei or Glenn Greenwald who, as far as I can tell, don't do the whole racial collective blame thing at all and also don't even buy into the whole "wow, look at all this anti Semitism everywhere" panic. Hell, I've stopped watching Greenwald as often because he talks about the poor Palestinians and evil Israel way too much and I just don't care about it.
So there are all types. The first type does seem to be disproportionately represented in the "white/native people (except Israelis) bad" crowd.
It certainly does seem like a metaphorical minefield regarding a unified identity as many US Jews are against Israel's attacks on the Palestinian territories (From what I have gleaned from some news outlets) and so a polarity seems to exist within the overall group of people who identify that way (Genetically or otherwise).
I accept that those of student years are looking to rebel against anything and so discount them mostly from that message but there are enough older people who are Jewish speaking out against the atrocities in both Israel and the US regarding the Palestine situation.
Do you think there is a divide amongst Jewish people outside of Israel as to what the correct course of action is for the Jewish identity or will tradition and culture come back after the situation is no longer in the news and Israel's next problem is how to expand its boarders further?
Well yeah, as I mentioned, you've got Shapiro being pro-Israel and Greenwald being vocally anti-Israel.
But I don't really care about that. You'll have to ask them. I mostly just have a loathing for the people in the first category I mentioned. Nearly as much as I have a loathing for the white people who hate white people but think/claim, "I'm one of the good ones. Hate them, not me."
*edit: also, for the record, I apply that standard to just about any group of people. For example, back in 2014, I learned that the "wow, gamers sure are awful, aren't we?" people were, by far, the worst people associated with the hobby.
Well something's got to give because it looks like Israel keeps seeing itself getting larger and there's only so much real estate on the planet.