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Australia appoints parliament secretary for mens behavior change (twitter.com)
posted 1 year ago by evilplushie 1 year ago by evilplushie +75 / -0
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– ExtraCharger 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

I understand what you are saying and don't disagree with your overall comment, but I have to take issue with this:

I do believe men do in fact need to change their behavior around women. Men and women are different. The kinds of things men do with other men to build respect/comradery and to test the men are not things men should be doing to women. Too many men make the mistake of treating women as equal to men when women are not equal to men at all. Men should be treating women as if the women cannot handle confrontation, conflict or anything too disruptive to their feelings. Men should be aware that women internalize everything and that women don't understand how to separate themselves from generalizations. This means men should in fact be "softer" around women because women can't handle men being truly men around women.

Then the times you do engage with women, make sure to treat the women differently because women cannot truly handle being treated the same way men treat men because they are women and they are different.

I think you have misdiagnosed the issue and have things the wrong way around. Men don't and have never treated women the same way they treat men. As we know, feminism isn't really about 'equality' at all. So, feminism itself does not actually advocate for men to treat women like they do other men, but rather feminism advocates for men to treat women the way women want to be treated. This is as opposed to men treating women as men themselves want to treat women, based on the men's own principles.

To give you a mundane example to illustrate my point, a woman asks a man "Does this dress make me look fat?" The dress does indeed make her look fat. The woman values her feelings more than the truth, therefore expects the man to say "No, it doesn't" regardless of reality. Men, however, tend to value truth above preserving 'feelings'. He is inclined to simply say "Yes, it does make you look fat" (and then is mystified when she gets upset - he was just being honest after all).

The feminist solution is for the man to adopt the female value and thus dishonestly tell the woman she doesn't look fat. This is, after all, what the woman's girlfriends would tend to tell her. The proper answer, however, is that male principle here was the the correct one. The principle of honesty is more important than protecting the woman's feelings (in the mundane example above, the man, if he doesn't want an argument, might have to find a way to tiptoe around her feelings while still being honest). This is what men would do among each other - tell it like it is rather than worry about each other's feelings.

Therefore, to overcome feminism, men need to treat women more like they treat men, not less so. Assassin47 has makes a similar point - the issue is feminization of society, in which men are adopting female values, instead of sticking to their own male values. Men need to stick to their own principles, treating women differently for sure, but treating women differently according to their own male values. Not treating women differently according to female values.

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– RaceCreatesCulture 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Oh, yes. We are in agreement. I didn't mean men should treat women how women want to be treated because women want to be treated better than they deserve without earning the proper respect to be treated that way. I do in fact mean it more in the misogynistic way. A mosquito wants you to stand around and do nothing so it can suck your blood. Equality dictates you treat a mosquito like a human which obviously is stupid. I'm saying you shouldn't treat a mosquito like a human as per "feminism" but you should treat the mosquito as a mosquito ought to be treated which is to squash it. Never treat the mosquito how the mosquito wants to be treated or you'll just be setting yourself up to be exploited like a worthless simp. Treat the mosquito how it deserves to be treated based on how it engages with you. It sucks your blood then squash it.

But what I am saying too is sometimes guys do treat women too much like ones of guys when she really isn't and that causes a lot of issues with both men and women when guys do this.

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