I notice a lot of people here are no fan of Israel but also don’t act like Palestine is some utopia. I’ve read some unflattering things about the Israeli govt to put it mildly but it is hard for me to take the side of stupid teenage protestors since these are the same people who cheer on blm or think saying that men are not women is genocide. I do believe in free speech as long as you don’t interfere with others. In the flip side these bills opposing antisemitism seem are definitely a violation of free speech
Palestine... Used to be a fairly "liberal", developed part of the Islamic world. Especially Old Jaffa and Jerusalem itself.
Then the Jews took over, and, well, we know most of the 75 years since then...
Palestine now, or more specifically Gaza now, is not that. Parts of the Palestinian West Bank are relatively "normal" for the Islamic world, much like parts of Iraq, Lebanon or Iran are (there's even at least one brewery in Ramallah, I believe). But Gaza, as controlled by Hamas and constantly bombed by Israel, is an oppressive, theocratic, overpopulated shithole.
The problem is that Israel wants it to be exactly as much of a shithole as it is, because it provides an easy "enemy on the doorstep", among other things.
Israel basically created and funded Hamas, and (arguably) allowed October 7 to happen, or at the very least ignored every possible warning about it, and now, here we are...
A bit like how Netanyahu and his cabinet couldn't give less of a shit about the hostages. They're just a convenient excuse. That's become increasingly obvious over recent months.
I notice a lot of people here are no fan of Israel but also don’t act like Palestine is some utopia. I’ve read some unflattering things about the Israeli govt to put it mildly but it is hard for me to take the side of stupid teenage protestors since these are the same people who cheer on blm or think saying that men are not women is genocide. I do believe in free speech as long as you don’t interfere with others. In the flip side these bills opposing antisemitism seem are definitely a violation of free speech
Yep, totally agree with you there, on all counts.
Palestine... Used to be a fairly "liberal", developed part of the Islamic world. Especially Old Jaffa and Jerusalem itself.
Then the Jews took over, and, well, we know most of the 75 years since then...
Palestine now, or more specifically Gaza now, is not that. Parts of the Palestinian West Bank are relatively "normal" for the Islamic world, much like parts of Iraq, Lebanon or Iran are (there's even at least one brewery in Ramallah, I believe). But Gaza, as controlled by Hamas and constantly bombed by Israel, is an oppressive, theocratic, overpopulated shithole.
The problem is that Israel wants it to be exactly as much of a shithole as it is, because it provides an easy "enemy on the doorstep", among other things.
Israel basically created and funded Hamas, and (arguably) allowed October 7 to happen, or at the very least ignored every possible warning about it, and now, here we are...
A bit like how Netanyahu and his cabinet couldn't give less of a shit about the hostages. They're just a convenient excuse. That's become increasingly obvious over recent months.