I'm not going to argue the point that race is much more influential at the present moment, because it is, but a 2010 poll is not descriptive at all of the long history of Catholics in America. Catholics have complained about discrimination for decades, and Catholic pluralism laid the groundwork for Hart-Cellar. Hart-Cellar, in turn, laid the groundwork for the destruction of the ethnocentric character of America.
Religion is the ideological unification of the country. When religious practice is hollowed out, there is a vacuum in the national character that makes it vulnerable. In this case, consumerism and globalism filled the void, and here we are. You're talking about the short term, I'm talking about the long term.
The immigration act was happening regardless of the religious makeup of the country. This was already decided post WWII as the plan for all western countries. It's no surprise almost all White dominant countries passed similar laws in and around the same times.
You may have a point for the Catholic Church (Vatican) having a part to play in multiculturalism worldwide and perhaps the Vatican used its influence to help push these types of laws globally but the Vatican seemed to have supported fascism in Italy and perhaps even supported the Germans. The Vatican has been fighting its own war internally and losing with Vatican II sealing the Catholic Church's fate also. The problem IMO stems more from the money and power of the bankers and their influence in the late 1800s and early 1900s than it has to do with the Catholic Church specifically.
I think you overplay the impact of the Catholic Church on our overall outcome these days. The Catholic Church hasn't done enough to oppose things from getting to where they are today but neither has any group of anyone.
The immigration act was happening regardless of the religious makeup of the country. This was already decided post WWII as the plan for all western countries. It's no surprise almost all White dominant countries passed similar laws in and around the same times.
Maybe so. I don't think it's a surprise either, but that's entangled with the overwhelming domination of the US in the Western sphere.
You may have a point for the Catholic Church (Vatican) having a part to play in multiculturalism worldwide and perhaps the Vatican used its influence to help push these types of laws globally but the Vatican seemed to have supported fascism in Italy and perhaps even supported the Germans. The Vatican has been fighting its own war internally and losing with Vatican II sealing the Catholic Church's fate also. The problem IMO stems more from the money and power of the bankers and their influence in the late 1800s and early 1900s than it has to do with the Catholic Church specifically.
The Vatican played both sides of WWII. There's a reason that some anti-Nazi Catholic partisans are up for sainthood.
To what extent the bankers control the world is a very complex topic. I'm certainly not writing that off, I'm learning in bits and pieces. However, the immense secrecy and power of the RCC cannot be written off either. These are people with their own state and almost no outside scrutiny who are accustomed to world domination, playing strategic games over centuries, and wield influence over more than a billion people.
I'm not going to argue the point that race is much more influential at the present moment, because it is, but a 2010 poll is not descriptive at all of the long history of Catholics in America. Catholics have complained about discrimination for decades, and Catholic pluralism laid the groundwork for Hart-Cellar. Hart-Cellar, in turn, laid the groundwork for the destruction of the ethnocentric character of America.
Religion is the ideological unification of the country. When religious practice is hollowed out, there is a vacuum in the national character that makes it vulnerable. In this case, consumerism and globalism filled the void, and here we are. You're talking about the short term, I'm talking about the long term.
The immigration act was happening regardless of the religious makeup of the country. This was already decided post WWII as the plan for all western countries. It's no surprise almost all White dominant countries passed similar laws in and around the same times.
You may have a point for the Catholic Church (Vatican) having a part to play in multiculturalism worldwide and perhaps the Vatican used its influence to help push these types of laws globally but the Vatican seemed to have supported fascism in Italy and perhaps even supported the Germans. The Vatican has been fighting its own war internally and losing with Vatican II sealing the Catholic Church's fate also. The problem IMO stems more from the money and power of the bankers and their influence in the late 1800s and early 1900s than it has to do with the Catholic Church specifically.
I think you overplay the impact of the Catholic Church on our overall outcome these days. The Catholic Church hasn't done enough to oppose things from getting to where they are today but neither has any group of anyone.
Maybe so. I don't think it's a surprise either, but that's entangled with the overwhelming domination of the US in the Western sphere.
The Vatican played both sides of WWII. There's a reason that some anti-Nazi Catholic partisans are up for sainthood.
To what extent the bankers control the world is a very complex topic. I'm certainly not writing that off, I'm learning in bits and pieces. However, the immense secrecy and power of the RCC cannot be written off either. These are people with their own state and almost no outside scrutiny who are accustomed to world domination, playing strategic games over centuries, and wield influence over more than a billion people.