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Remember when people were saying that anime girls were better than real girls?
posted 2 years ago by yoisi 2 years ago by yoisi +34 / -0

Is that the reason there was suddenly a gigantic push to start attacking and shaming anyone who liked anime girls? Instead of telling real girls to improve their personalities, they attacked and shamed guys for liking anime girls.

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– Kienan 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

Yes, such bullshit that boys telomeres have been shown to shorten by up to 15% when they don’t have a father.

Intentionally or otherwise, you just did a massive goalpost shift. You guys were arguing about whether moms were replaceable, and your counterpoint was that dads weren't. No one argued that they were; I think everyone here agrees that fathers are very important.

Also, boys needs fathers, yes. But if we're doing hypothetical scenarios like your artificial womb scenario, you could technically argue for an "artificial father" scenario too. The telomere gap is, I'd imagine, due to physical activity. Boys with more male influence are likely to exercise more, or have more testosterone which will likely result in more exercise as well. So if that's the argument for needing a father (which again, I agree is very important, and I'm just arguing the technical aspects here, not making an actual proposal), more male teachers, or more focus on PE, or state-mandated camping or eventually military service...all kinds of things would have the same or greater effect on telomeres specifically as a father, I'd wager. Again, not arguing for those things, just pointing out that you can make all kinds of hypotheticals.

Thinking about it, though, I bet more male teachers would actually solve some serious issues, like the lowered average testosterone levels we're seeing. A whole lot of things need to be re-normalized, including both fatherhood and male teachers.

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– Ahaus667 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Also, boys needs fathers, yes. But if we're doing hypothetical scenarios like your artificial womb scenario, you could technically argue for an "artificial father" scenario too. The telomere gap is, I'd imagine, due to physical activity. Boys with more male influence are likely to exercise more, or have more testosterone which will likely result in more exercise as well.

That’s not why genetic aging occurs. The telomeres degradation has nothing to do with exercise and everything to do with an actual biological need for a father. Your hypothetical is grossly incorrect, and well just hilariously stupid if you took 5 seconds to think about it.

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– Kienan 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

You're saying a lot of things, and saying it with confidence, but without anything to back it up.

Telomeres do react (significantly) to exercise. My theory is just as good, if not better, than your magic father idea.

And, again, I'm not denying the importance of fathers; they're incredibly important. I just think your argument as to why is a little silly.

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– Ahaus667 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Telomeres do react (significantly) to exercise. My theory is just as good, if not better, than your magic father idea.

If you’re older and your telomeres are shortening naturally, exercising regularly can delay aging, not the same as harmful shrinkage. The only thing that can age telomeres like the loss of a father in a CHILD is either disease or mutation. From what we’ve seen it’s because men are hardwired to learn from men. Also if you took the five seconds to think about it like I said, what’s a certain ethnic group in the US that is repeatedly shown to have this and also has higher exercise rates as children/ adolescents?

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– Kienan 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Also if you took the five seconds to think about it like I said, what’s a certain ethnic group in the US that is repeatedly shown to have this and also has higher exercise rates as children/ adolescents?

Are you talking about blacks? And don't they have longer telomeres? Also higher testosterone, and more fatherlessness. So this actually disproves your point, unless I'm completely missing said point.

Less fathers, but more testosterone and "substitute fathers" (if you will), and longer/healthier telomeres. Again, despite less fathers on average. i.e. by your own silly "telomere" metric, a group with less fathers is doing better than a group with more fathers.

Again, I want to be clear, I'm not arguing this is a good thing, or a goal, just that your metric is silly. And if that's your only argument for fathers being necessary (which again, they are), well, it's got a lot of problems.

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