Absolutely no need to apologize. Sometimes it just do be like that.
And I already acknowledged that looks can be quite important. I just don't think they're the be all and end all, or even required. Confidence that is actually earned will get you places, no matter what you look like.
The difference between confident and cocky is how tall and hot the guy is.
Sometimes, but I still don't think it's that simple. I think a quality person who has done things to earn his confidence can get places. It's a tired mantra, but there really is some truth to the whole 'work on yourself first' advice, and it goes beyond looks. Again, looks absolutely help a lot, I've never argued the contrary.
Same with assertive and aggressive (the kind that doesn't give them the tingles).
But they can get the tingles from that behavior regardless of looks. In entertainment the "bad boy" trope tends to be tall and good looking, but the actual bad boys women end up being interested in aren't always that. Like you said, tingles.
The point is looks are highly correlated with female perception of the rest...
Yup, I agree. Again, though, part of my point is "attractive" isn't set in stone. Of course there are biological and evolutionary truths regarding beauty. But part of that certainly goes beyond traditional attractiveness. Again, danger is a good example. Someone who is ugly and/or short, but looks like they've been through some stuff might be more attractive to women than someone better looking - but not much above average - who doesn't have scars or other marring. And that's just physical stuff; there's also plenty of attitudes that signal attractiveness, regardless (or at least partially regardless) of physical attractiveness. That's my point. Again, being "hot" totally, totally helps, big time.
And, to address your other comment about me saying the 'just be hot' meme is cope, I should have been more clear. I'm not saying there's no truth there. I'm just saying I think it's a tired excuse; one that is often, but not exclusively, used by losers who have given up. I also think it's kind of funny - and I want to be clear that none of this is aimed at you or anyone else here - that a lot of the same people who go on about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps suddenly say you're screwed if you're not a perfect ten, six foot six, with a huge dick.
I guess that's part of what irks me. The incel/redpill/MGTOW people tend more toward the "conservative" side of things, if you want to class it that way, so I guess I'm more likely to nitpick my own side more. Because we all already know leftists are shit. And they're to busy worshipping women and denying biology in all its forms to acknowledge basic truths, much less build ideas around them.
So I'm not trying to discredit "redpill" or whatever ideology, or anything. It's probably more on point than many normie views, and certainly lefty views. I'm just being pedantic, but also the defeatism really does piss me off. That's my issue. As I've said; yes, being hot is a massive advantage, and opens many doors. Being ugly is a massive disadvantage, and sucks. Those are truths. It just doesn't have to define anyone's life, or shape their system of belief. It will be a struggle, but physical appearance can be overcome.
Absolutely no need to apologize. Sometimes it just do be like that.
And I already acknowledged that looks can be quite important. I just don't think they're the be all and end all, or even required. Confidence that is actually earned will get you places, no matter what you look like.
Sometimes, but I still don't think it's that simple. I think a quality person who has done things to earn his confidence can get places. It's a tired mantra, but there really is some truth to the whole 'work on yourself first' advice, and it goes beyond looks. Again, looks absolutely help a lot, I've never argued the contrary.
But they can get the tingles from that behavior regardless of looks. In entertainment the "bad boy" trope tends to be tall and good looking, but the actual bad boys women end up being interested in aren't always that. Like you said, tingles.
Yup, I agree. Again, though, part of my point is "attractive" isn't set in stone. Of course there are biological and evolutionary truths regarding beauty. But part of that certainly goes beyond traditional attractiveness. Again, danger is a good example. Someone who is ugly and/or short, but looks like they've been through some stuff might be more attractive to women than someone better looking - but not much above average - who doesn't have scars or other marring. And that's just physical stuff; there's also plenty of attitudes that signal attractiveness, regardless (or at least partially regardless) of physical attractiveness. That's my point. Again, being "hot" totally, totally helps, big time.
And, to address your other comment about me saying the 'just be hot' meme is cope, I should have been more clear. I'm not saying there's no truth there. I'm just saying I think it's a tired excuse; one that is often, but not exclusively, used by losers who have given up. I also think it's kind of funny - and I want to be clear that none of this is aimed at you or anyone else here - that a lot of the same people who go on about pulling yourself up by your bootstraps suddenly say you're screwed if you're not a perfect ten, six foot six, with a huge dick.
I guess that's part of what irks me. The incel/redpill/MGTOW people tend more toward the "conservative" side of things, if you want to class it that way, so I guess I'm more likely to nitpick my own side more. Because we all already know leftists are shit. And they're to busy worshipping women and denying biology in all its forms to acknowledge basic truths, much less build ideas around them.
So I'm not trying to discredit "redpill" or whatever ideology, or anything. It's probably more on point than many normie views, and certainly lefty views. I'm just being pedantic, but also the defeatism really does piss me off. That's my issue. As I've said; yes, being hot is a massive advantage, and opens many doors. Being ugly is a massive disadvantage, and sucks. Those are truths. It just doesn't have to define anyone's life, or shape their system of belief. It will be a struggle, but physical appearance can be overcome.
The only place confidence will land an average looking man is in prison. Most men have no fucking hope.