This sentence also applies to people with heavy autism and OCD, among a bunch of other mental illnesses.
In what way do people with heavy autism or OCD demand others participate in delusion? This isn't something that I've observed. Depending on their exact circumstances they may ask for allowances to be made, but that isn't nearly as common as transgenders demanding capitulation to their demented rules, and there's no delusion involved.
One of the most common forms of OCD is "if I don't open the door 17 times my uncle will die." Which is both a delusion and a narcissistic "I'm the center of the universe" belief. And if you try to prevent them from doing that, they will lose their shit and panic. They aren't demanding you participate, but you must allow them to perform their ritual which is a demand to at least enable.
They may be aware of it being delusional, but most trannies are in fact aware of their delusions being false too and are deeply trying to deny it with "validation bombs."
And many untreated autists are rarely able to conceptualize that the world isn't a logical place full of rules and numbers and patterns, which is why they struggle to navigate the social sphere. Those who can adapt do, but those who don't (let's say the stereotypical "incel") are often losing their mind because the world won't conform to what they believe is the most logical, graspable form.
Which is why the autism to tranny pipeline is so common. Because they see "women have it easy" and "women make people horny" and think "therefore is I become woman, it'll be easier and I'll make them horny." Among other delusional beliefs.
I won't stand on it being a complete match, but its a heck of a better one than "nope, its all NPD. A dude trying to copy Jordan Peterson taught me that word after he learned it on r/raisedbynarcissists!"
Eh, there's still a big difference between an irrational belief that an individual feels they have to adhere to, and an irrational belief that an individual forces everyone else to adhere to. That's where the narcissism comes from. You could say there's a bit of egocentrism in someone thinking that their irrational rituals would affect their uncle's health, but it's not narcissism as its understood and defined. It's more of an irrational anxiety and detachment from reality. There's definitely delusion involved in all cases though.
I can see where you're coming from, and thank you for explaining your perspective, but I just don't agree I suppose.
Its fine if you don't, because I also don't think it is really the answer most times.
I simply don't agree with people picking the "evilest, worst sounding" personality disorder that a study in Iran, a country you'd never trust to begin with, and running with it as gospel.
So my entire point was less that I had the answer and more "don't trust studies wholesale because they say what you want them to say."
In what way do people with heavy autism or OCD demand others participate in delusion? This isn't something that I've observed. Depending on their exact circumstances they may ask for allowances to be made, but that isn't nearly as common as transgenders demanding capitulation to their demented rules, and there's no delusion involved.
One of the most common forms of OCD is "if I don't open the door 17 times my uncle will die." Which is both a delusion and a narcissistic "I'm the center of the universe" belief. And if you try to prevent them from doing that, they will lose their shit and panic. They aren't demanding you participate, but you must allow them to perform their ritual which is a demand to at least enable.
They may be aware of it being delusional, but most trannies are in fact aware of their delusions being false too and are deeply trying to deny it with "validation bombs."
And many untreated autists are rarely able to conceptualize that the world isn't a logical place full of rules and numbers and patterns, which is why they struggle to navigate the social sphere. Those who can adapt do, but those who don't (let's say the stereotypical "incel") are often losing their mind because the world won't conform to what they believe is the most logical, graspable form.
Which is why the autism to tranny pipeline is so common. Because they see "women have it easy" and "women make people horny" and think "therefore is I become woman, it'll be easier and I'll make them horny." Among other delusional beliefs.
I won't stand on it being a complete match, but its a heck of a better one than "nope, its all NPD. A dude trying to copy Jordan Peterson taught me that word after he learned it on r/raisedbynarcissists!"
Eh, there's still a big difference between an irrational belief that an individual feels they have to adhere to, and an irrational belief that an individual forces everyone else to adhere to. That's where the narcissism comes from. You could say there's a bit of egocentrism in someone thinking that their irrational rituals would affect their uncle's health, but it's not narcissism as its understood and defined. It's more of an irrational anxiety and detachment from reality. There's definitely delusion involved in all cases though.
I can see where you're coming from, and thank you for explaining your perspective, but I just don't agree I suppose.
Its fine if you don't, because I also don't think it is really the answer most times.
I simply don't agree with people picking the "evilest, worst sounding" personality disorder that a study in Iran, a country you'd never trust to begin with, and running with it as gospel.
So my entire point was less that I had the answer and more "don't trust studies wholesale because they say what you want them to say."
That's an entirely fair position to take, and good advice to give.