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Based on a quick search, hebephilia is like 11-14 generally. It's basically pedophilia-lite. We can talk age of consent and other things - and there is room for discussion there - but "I can't believe it's not pedophilia™" isn't the way to go. Fuck's sake.
I can see an argument for eighteen being too old. I can see an argument, for, say, sixteen being reasonable. But even that has some issues, considering you then get 30 and 40 year olds trying to get with still relatively young girls. But "hebephilia" goes beyond that, and really is just basically "it's not technically pedophilia, wink wink, hahaha."
And the hebephiles are just annoying, too, because, just like with a lot of the "queer" activists, they delight in shoving their degeneracy down everyone else's throat. "Look, isn't this fourteen year old girl hot?" To which I respond, no, get the fuck out of here, creep.
Now that I will agree with you on, for sure. Pedophilia is a serious issue, and I hate to see it diluted. Having a consensual relationship with a seventeen year old might be unpopular, it might be unpleasant, it might be frowned upon, and it might even be illegal depending on state...but it's not pedophilia. Anyone who calls it that is obnoxious, and hurting the actual point of cracking down on people who abuse children.
But, yeah, hebephilia is still creepy, and not that far removed from pedophilia, often. And the people who broadcast their interest in it should be looked at with extreme skepticism and suspicion...at best.
It's very difficult to say anything about your first three paragraphs other than the fact that they lack substance. You're basically just going that is essentially pedophilic and this is self evident because I say so.
And I can't say I've ever seen "hebephelia activists" but I'll take your word that they exist. Nothing I argued needs to be associated with retards doing shit in public that they shouldn't.
It's called oversocialization. Girls can bear children at that age and as such men have evolved to find girls attractive at that age. Anytime people try to quantify male attraction teenage girls score the highest. And let's just say the curve does not begin to plummet at 18 or even 16.
I appreciate the nuance even if I don't fully agree.
Here's where I will inject my nuance. I will die on the hill that sexual attraction to post puberty girls isn't inherently wrong.
That being said, if I had a daughter, would I want her at age 15 or something going out with a 27 year old dude? No. Because all of the safeguards in our society designed to protect the girl (and man) in that situation are gone. Divorce is rampant. You used to either not be able to get divorced unless in the most extreme situations, or you would have to expend a huge amount of social capital to do so. Now there is no guarantee a man wouldn't use and abuse a young girl during her most valuable years and then dump her. That's just one example.
So while I would say there is nothing inherently wrong about it, the way our society is (intentionally?) structured and facilitated today makes it untenable/unwise.
I'm (clearly) saying that eleven is a child. There's overlap between your "ideal" 14-16 range and a "hebephiliac's" 11-14, but you'll note that overlap is fourteen exclusively. Not sure why you're defending a (in my opinion very perverse) preference for girls generally younger than your age range. By your own statement, 11-13 at the very least is pretty dang young. Come on. Hebephiles are borderline pedophiles, that's definitionally correct.
We've had some on this very board, including the person you're responding to, who you're backing up despite explicitly championing hebephilia.
Then why are you here associating yourself with a retard doing retarded shit they shouldn't in public?
You're specifically calling them girls. I don't want girls, I want women. Young women, sure. But not girls. Sorry, young girls just don't do it for me.
You do you (or, alternatively, don't please), but a lot of the studies I've seen are generally late teens to very early twenties. Not sub-15. That's gross, and you're not going to change my mind.
Likewise, for the record. I don't agree with you, but I enjoy an interesting discussion if nothing else.
I can even sort of see that. Alright, but hebephiles are "only just slightly post pubescent" specifically. I stand by that that's kind of weird. That's "I like really young people, but don't want to be a pedophile" territory. I don't like pedophiles, and I don't like people with very similar proclivities trying to skate by on a technicality, either. It's not pedophilia, but it's also not significantly better.
Again, I certainly don't agree with where I presume you're coming from, but we can find some common ground at least. Modern society ruins a lot of relationships in general. Totally agreed. A lot of things that would be more reasonable or moral at another time are not now, because our current systems are absolutely insane.
You caught me. I don't want to fuck fourteen year olds...faggot confirmed.
Go back into the woodwork, maggot.