It's very difficult to say anything about your first three paragraphs other than the fact that they lack substance. You're basically just going that is essentially pedophilic and this is self evident because I say so.

I'm (clearly) saying that eleven is a child. There's overlap between your "ideal" 14-16 range and a "hebephiliac's" 11-14, but you'll note that overlap is fourteen exclusively. Not sure why you're defending a (in my opinion very perverse) preference for girls generally younger than your age range. By your own statement, 11-13 at the very least is pretty dang young. Come on. Hebephiles are borderline pedophiles, that's definitionally correct.

And I can't say I've ever seen "hebephelia activists" but I'll take your word that they exist.

We've had some on this very board, including the person you're responding to, who you're backing up despite explicitly championing hebephilia.

Nothing I argued needs to be associated with retards doing shit in public that they shouldn't.

Then why are you here associating yourself with a retard doing retarded shit they shouldn't in public?

Girls can bear children at that age and as such men have evolved to find girls attractive at that age.

You're specifically calling them girls. I don't want girls, I want women. Young women, sure. But not girls. Sorry, young girls just don't do it for me.

Anytime people try to quantify male attraction teenage girls score the highest. And let's just say the curve does not begin to plummet at 18 or even 16.

You do you (or, alternatively, don't please), but a lot of the studies I've seen are generally late teens to very early twenties. Not sub-15. That's gross, and you're not going to change my mind.

I appreciate the nuance even if I don't fully agree.

Likewise, for the record. I don't agree with you, but I enjoy an interesting discussion if nothing else.

Here's where I will inject my nuance. I will die on the hill that sexual attraction to post puberty girls isn't inherently wrong.

I can even sort of see that. Alright, but hebephiles are "only just slightly post pubescent" specifically. I stand by that that's kind of weird. That's "I like really young people, but don't want to be a pedophile" territory. I don't like pedophiles, and I don't like people with very similar proclivities trying to skate by on a technicality, either. It's not pedophilia, but it's also not significantly better.

So while I would say there is nothing inherently wrong about it, the way our society is (intentionally?) structured and facilitated today makes it untenable/unwise.

Again, I certainly don't agree with where I presume you're coming from, but we can find some common ground at least. Modern society ruins a lot of relationships in general. Totally agreed. A lot of things that would be more reasonable or moral at another time are not now, because our current systems are absolutely insane.