If you want to call the unknown physics of forces outside of our universe God that's your prerogative. But don't conflate that with a being who also exists within our universe and chooses prophets, sends messiahs and regularly nukes humanity from orbit for being too debauched or unfaithful. Having two homonyms with completely different meanings is just going to lead to confusion, whether that is deliberate or not.
Because calling something “unknown physics” is still missing the point. You are making the mistake of describing something as a physical manifestation when it has to exist outside the realm of the universe.
It is something beyond our understanding because our understanding is limited to this universe.
Calling it unknown physics is just as arbitrary as calling it God. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, I wasn't a snob about what you decided to use for your imprecise nomenclature, so I won't just accept you being a snob about mine.
Just be more imaginative, imagine expanding the umbrella of the term physics from reality based physics into also covering the metaphysical and it's all peachy again.
You are still hung up on the physical world. That’s what I’m trying to point out. A physical entity cannot have been the origin of a physical universe. Even “metaphysical” still exists within the realm of the physical.
The only logical conclusion is something not physical created the universe. It’s an inescapable reality.
Yeah, I get what you're saying already. It's really not that hard to imagine an abstract concept beyond reality. I was just making the point that giving a name to that outside influence that is already used for something else is just going to confuse people.
And I think you misunderstand what I mean by metaphysics. The name is a confusing bastardisation, especially to students of ancient greek, but it is a branch of philosophy concerned with things like the origin of reality and it basically encompasses your entire thought process here. It's also got a less formal modern connotation as the study of the supernatural.
If you want to call the unknown physics of forces outside of our universe God that's your prerogative. But don't conflate that with a being who also exists within our universe and chooses prophets, sends messiahs and regularly nukes humanity from orbit for being too debauched or unfaithful. Having two homonyms with completely different meanings is just going to lead to confusion, whether that is deliberate or not.
I’m going to stop you there.
Because calling something “unknown physics” is still missing the point. You are making the mistake of describing something as a physical manifestation when it has to exist outside the realm of the universe.
It is something beyond our understanding because our understanding is limited to this universe.
Calling it unknown physics is just as arbitrary as calling it God. You don't get to have your cake and eat it, I wasn't a snob about what you decided to use for your imprecise nomenclature, so I won't just accept you being a snob about mine.
Just be more imaginative, imagine expanding the umbrella of the term physics from reality based physics into also covering the metaphysical and it's all peachy again.
You are still hung up on the physical world. That’s what I’m trying to point out. A physical entity cannot have been the origin of a physical universe. Even “metaphysical” still exists within the realm of the physical.
The only logical conclusion is something not physical created the universe. It’s an inescapable reality.
Yeah, I get what you're saying already. It's really not that hard to imagine an abstract concept beyond reality. I was just making the point that giving a name to that outside influence that is already used for something else is just going to confuse people.
And I think you misunderstand what I mean by metaphysics. The name is a confusing bastardisation, especially to students of ancient greek, but it is a branch of philosophy concerned with things like the origin of reality and it basically encompasses your entire thought process here. It's also got a less formal modern connotation as the study of the supernatural.