Maybe, but premise 1 is faulty and vague whether or not I did. For one, how precisely would one define 'applicability' and 'happy coincidence'? Does it mean that there's no mathematics if there is no god, that 2+2 could equal 4 one moment and 5 another? Or that the fact that it is, is a 'coincidence'?
I don't see why this does not have to be true in any universe, whether or not a god exists.
Logic is synonymous with mind. How could mind govern a mindless universe?
The point being, “mathematics” becomes a meaningless word in a universe governed by chaos, randomness, and meaninglessness (i.e. God-less). I implore you to describe such a universe, hopefully such that you will see its utter implausibility
The point being, “mathematics” becomes a meaningless word in a universe governed by chaos, randomness, and meaninglessness (i.e. God-less).
Do you mean that the mere fact of God's existence (according to you) imbues mathematics with meaning for everyone, or that the word mathematics only has meaning to people who believe in a god?
I implore you to describe such a universe, hopefully such that you will see its utter implausibility
I just don't see it, nor its implausibility, at least as it specifically relates to mathematics. If you believe in a god, and think that the laws of mathematics are laws posited by the divinity, then it may seem obvious - sort of a William Paley watch argument - but not to me.
The best argument for a god I've heard is the cosmological argument. Everything has a cause, at least in our experience. But what caused the universe to come into existence? A god is a decent hypothesis for that. What then caused god? Some religious people say that this necessitates a cause that stands outside of time.
Premise 1 is faulty. Premise 2 is not demonstrated.
Premise 1 is accurate. You aren’t making anything approaching an argument.
Premise 2 is demonstrated through the fact you’re typing your message to me on a device you don’t understand the first thing about.
Maybe, but premise 1 is faulty and vague whether or not I did. For one, how precisely would one define 'applicability' and 'happy coincidence'? Does it mean that there's no mathematics if there is no god, that 2+2 could equal 4 one moment and 5 another? Or that the fact that it is, is a 'coincidence'?
I don't see why this does not have to be true in any universe, whether or not a god exists.
Logic is synonymous with mind. How could mind govern a mindless universe?
The point being, “mathematics” becomes a meaningless word in a universe governed by chaos, randomness, and meaninglessness (i.e. God-less). I implore you to describe such a universe, hopefully such that you will see its utter implausibility
Is it? Even mindless processes proceed logically.
Do you mean that the mere fact of God's existence (according to you) imbues mathematics with meaning for everyone, or that the word mathematics only has meaning to people who believe in a god?
I just don't see it, nor its implausibility, at least as it specifically relates to mathematics. If you believe in a god, and think that the laws of mathematics are laws posited by the divinity, then it may seem obvious - sort of a William Paley watch argument - but not to me.
The best argument for a god I've heard is the cosmological argument. Everything has a cause, at least in our experience. But what caused the universe to come into existence? A god is a decent hypothesis for that. What then caused god? Some religious people say that this necessitates a cause that stands outside of time.