I saw a lot of counternarrative posts recently on Twitter about Auschwitz having a swimming pool/movie theater/arts theater/maternity ward/orchestra, library etc.
For heterodox people pushing that the camps weren't as bad as history tells us, what is their ultimate position?
That less died than reported?
That industrial scale extermination didn't happen at all?
Jewish cultural legacy is one of entitlement, subversion, and grievance. Its not a criticism. Same way that the American soul is one of humiliation and spite, it just is.
The Holocaust was a white culture recognizing the incompatibility of thay culture with its own, rejecting it, and what happened after.
Here's the critical piece. The narrative of Nazis is borderline mystical. They're suddenly for no reason at all arrival. Their magical instant mind control that dies with Hitler, their clockwork industrial perfection in efficiency and universal application of policy to rival mcdonalds in the fucking 40s.
What's the point? The Nazis rejected jews and wanted them gone. They attempted deportation which failed, they switched to concentration. Now what? Some were probably murdered by the camps staffed by people who hated them due to the above. Others starved because low priority people starve in war. And some were bombed by the Allies.
In the aftermath there is not SINGLE interested party who wants a nuanced conclusion. Europe wants somebody to blame, the Allies want a cover for their atrocities, the Jews want land and power. The Germans want to wash their hands as quickly as possible. Every single group has a vested interest in
Blaming Germany for everything
Germany having acted as evilly as possible.
The Nazis being both pure evil, and absolutely magnetic so the Germans can put it all behind them with minimal punishment.
These three goals directly incentivize maximizing the holocaust in terms of both intent and scale.
We end up with a Climate Change situation where the number has changed over and over to always make sure Jews juuuuust eek out to be the majority of casualties.
What's the point? The Nazis rejected jews and wanted them gone. They attempted deportation which failed, they switched to concentration. Now what? Some were probably murdered by the camps staffed by people who hated them due to the above. Others starved because low priority people starve in war. And some were bombed by the Allies.
Everyone killed Jews except the Nazis. These Nazis are some real big-time humanitarians.
In the aftermath there is not SINGLE interested party who wants a nuanced conclusion.
You want a 'nuanced conclusion'?
the number has changed over and over to always make sure Jews juuuuust eek out to be the majority of casualties.
More inhabitants of the USSR were murdered than Jews. And the USSR put emphasis on its people's suffering during World War II over anything that had been done to the Jews. Ironically, you are following the communist narrative. Then again, you have no idea what you're even saying.
OK, that's good, maybe you thought it was so obvious that you didn't need to specify. What it sounded like to me was the way I 'obtusely' expressed it. Nice that I was wrong.
I'd like an accurate one as opposed to the cartoon that you carry water for.
Great. Read any of the authoritative works of World War II history. They are nuanced and accurate. In fact, a significant school of historians has argued that the Nazis weren't totalitarian and repressive against the German population (e.g. Hans Mommsen). You know why? Because they wanted to argue that ordinary Germans are also to blame for the Nazi tyranny.
Camp casualties you numbskull Nobody gives a shit about the soviets.
I saw a lot of counternarrative posts recently on Twitter about Auschwitz having a swimming pool/movie theater/arts theater/maternity ward/orchestra, library etc.
For heterodox people pushing that the camps weren't as bad as history tells us, what is their ultimate position?
That less died than reported?
That industrial scale extermination didn't happen at all?
That these camps were simply holding facilities?
Jewish cultural legacy is one of entitlement, subversion, and grievance. Its not a criticism. Same way that the American soul is one of humiliation and spite, it just is.
The Holocaust was a white culture recognizing the incompatibility of thay culture with its own, rejecting it, and what happened after.
Here's the critical piece. The narrative of Nazis is borderline mystical. They're suddenly for no reason at all arrival. Their magical instant mind control that dies with Hitler, their clockwork industrial perfection in efficiency and universal application of policy to rival mcdonalds in the fucking 40s.
What's the point? The Nazis rejected jews and wanted them gone. They attempted deportation which failed, they switched to concentration. Now what? Some were probably murdered by the camps staffed by people who hated them due to the above. Others starved because low priority people starve in war. And some were bombed by the Allies.
In the aftermath there is not SINGLE interested party who wants a nuanced conclusion. Europe wants somebody to blame, the Allies want a cover for their atrocities, the Jews want land and power. The Germans want to wash their hands as quickly as possible. Every single group has a vested interest in
Blaming Germany for everything
Germany having acted as evilly as possible.
The Nazis being both pure evil, and absolutely magnetic so the Germans can put it all behind them with minimal punishment.
These three goals directly incentivize maximizing the holocaust in terms of both intent and scale.
We end up with a Climate Change situation where the number has changed over and over to always make sure Jews juuuuust eek out to be the majority of casualties.
Watch American Krogan's pieces on Biosbock.
Everyone killed Jews except the Nazis. These Nazis are some real big-time humanitarians.
You want a 'nuanced conclusion'?
More inhabitants of the USSR were murdered than Jews. And the USSR put emphasis on its people's suffering during World War II over anything that had been done to the Jews. Ironically, you are following the communist narrative. Then again, you have no idea what you're even saying.
I know you're obtuse but come on.
Nazis killed a lot of jews.
I'd like an accurate one as opposed to the cartoon that you carry water for.
Camp casualties you numbskull Nobody gives a shit about the soviets.
OK, that's good, maybe you thought it was so obvious that you didn't need to specify. What it sounded like to me was the way I 'obtusely' expressed it. Nice that I was wrong.
Great. Read any of the authoritative works of World War II history. They are nuanced and accurate. In fact, a significant school of historians has argued that the Nazis weren't totalitarian and repressive against the German population (e.g. Hans Mommsen). You know why? Because they wanted to argue that ordinary Germans are also to blame for the Nazi tyranny.
These are ordinary people.