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Christians when the pope allows gay marriage. (media.scored.co)
posted 2 years ago by Bluestorm 2 years ago by Bluestorm +2 / -0
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– Piroko 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

As I understand Christ's teachings...

Christians should aim to exceed the Jewish by not only keeping the law but also forsaking malice for forgiveness. Basically that even the crude law of Moses was just a tool for the times. Christians are not freed of it, rather they are tasked by Christ to transcend it. That simply living by the letter of the law isn't sufficient.

Now, on that note...

There are a couple items in Leviticus that I'm prepared to say probably could be scratched out, like the prohibitions on certain foods. Any time Leviticus marks something EXTERNAL TO HUMAN NATURE AND BEHAVIOR as bad, it is borne out of primitive science, and fair game for scrutiny.

We knew back then that trichinosis existed, but we couldn't explain what it was, so it was lumped into the category of things which are simply bad.

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– Smith1980 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

And the fact that some things are labeled an abomination is another thing all together

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– Piroko 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

MMMhmmm.

Consider "eye for an eye". The Law of Moses sets out a practical minimum for the functioning of a state. Blood for blood. But Christ basically says that while this is the law, it's not the ideal of behavior that you should approve of seeing the murderer "justly" die. This doesn't reflect well on YOU, and Christ's message is about you the individual, your behavior, and your relationship to God.

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– Smith1980 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

That’s pretty much what I’ve been taught throughout life. I didn’t know you were a Christian. Thought you were an atheist for some reason

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– Piroko 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

That is a surprisingly complex issue.

I was raised in a majority Quaker community, but it's fair to say I was agonistic. But I arrived at faith by working Dostoyevsky's Dilemma in reverse. The dilemma states:

“If God does not exist, everything is permitted.”

But I start with the concrete moral knowledge that some things are wrong, hence god must exist.

A central tenet of Quakerism is the belief in personal experience of god. This stands in stark contrast to, say, the Muslim view that man and god are distinctly separate and that nothing of God is in man. I BELIEVE that our sliver of moral knowledge, the conscience, is a direct experience of the divine.

"Knowing" that all possess this sliver of divinity, that all possess a relationship to god, whether they acknowledge it or deny it (or try to drown it in substances), I am able to leap past the dilemma and say that some things are wrong. But I can only do that because I acknowledge that god must exist.

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