Not to get in the middle of this, but he does have a point.

There's no "this" to get in the middle of, for the record. At least I hope there isn't. My intent really wasn't to try to pick a fight or anything. I don't have a problem with anyone really, and agree with him on some points. It just does strike me as somewhat hypocritical to indulge in or cheer on the same sort of stuff you otherwise condemn.

With today's wenches, it just isn't possible, or possible only across the thinnest of margins.

Agreed. But men and women play off each other. Women suck nowadays. So do men. If the men who know better engage in the same sort of behavior that encourages women to be shit, how can there be change? Again, I totally get the impulse, and I also get the argument that one man who could get theirs but chooses not to wouldn't make a difference. But I also believe personal choice does play a part, and if more people went with what they knew was right versus what they knew they could get away with, perhaps things could be better.

It's a sucky situation. Why should men suffer on the off chance their actions can make women marginally better? It's a shit ask, admittedly. But, for better or worse, that is kind of the role men have often taken. If we think women are shit, we obviously can't trust them to make the world a better place, right? So that leaves men. And, again, if the men who know better just give into the current system, where does change come from?

...Roughly 15% of women between 18 and 29 are still virgins...could be potential long-term partners in a stable relationship in which to raise a family. But...you also have to deal with government interference in Western nations...as well as social media influence...

Man, when you put it like that...Yeah, it's pretty fucking easy to be blackpilled, I get that.

While RaceCreatesCulture is making blackpilled posts in this thread, he's not entirely wrong about the outcome if we're just running a numbers game, especially when you look at the dwindling percentages of eligible women to build a family with...

I never said he was wrong, pragmatically. Just that the attitude is, perhaps, self defeating. Again, I get it's a big - heck, monumental - ask. It's mighty tempting, I totally agree. If sluts gonna slut, might as well get some sluts. I get the argument. But I also realize that doesn't make anything better.

The odds are horriblsy stacked against those who want to (re)build a better culture.

Yup. And always has been. Question is, do we care enough to try?